Adding on airplane

On Nov 20, 6:53 am, Andy wrote:
On Nov 19, 3:04 pm, Helen wrote:


Andy,
Helen's comments need a little clarification. With only a glider
rating one would be able to fly a LSA AIRPLANE (note not aircraft) as
if one had a student certificate. There would still be the need for
instruction/solo and check ride. I am not sure - this comes from my
expert source an instructor - if there is a written. If one has any
rating in AIRPLANES then one does not need a checkride just instructor
sign off to fly the ship or what ever the insurance requires. One
does not need a FAA physical as long as they have a current state
issued drivers license. Now here is the kicker. If you have had your
FAA physical denied or revoked for any reason you can not fly LSA
class but if you have let it laps without the revocation or denial and
can certify lyour health ike you do for a glider then have fun. The
LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)
Tom
Idaho




Nice piece on WBAL:

http://www.wbaltv.com/video/14641367/index.html

Adding on sport airplane privileges is a snap for rated glider pilots.
No formal FAA written or FAA checkride required.

Yes that's a good presention. thanks for sharing it. I have not
closely followed the regs for sport pilots as I already have most of
the aiplane ratings I want. Can you please tell me what reg allows
private rated glider pilots get a sport airplane rating without a
check ride?

Andy

Sorry Tom, Your "expert" instructor has been wrong before. After you
asked I did a bit more research and found the following on the AOPA
Sport Pilot FAQ.

Do I need to perform a check ride to get an additional category and/or
class rating?
************************************************** *************************************************
No, a check ride is not required. Rather, you will need to follow the
provisions of 14 CFR 61.321, which requires the following:

Receive a logbook endorsement for meeting aeronautical knowledge and
flight proficiency requirements.
Complete a proficiency check from an authorized instructor other than
the instructor who trained you on the aeronautical knowledge and areas
of operation specified.
Complete an FAA Form 8710-11, Airmen Certificate and/or Rating
Application, and present it to the instructor who conducted the
proficiency check.
Receive a logbook endorsement from the instructor who conducted the
proficiency check certifying that you are proficient in the applicable
knowledge and areas of operation and that you are authorized for the
additional category and class of light sport aircraft.
************************************************** ************************************************
This is also referenced in the Sport Pilot PTS.

Since a Glider Pilot already qualifies for Sport Pilot Privileges, It
appears to be true that you there is no written or Check ride required
to be done by the FAA or a Designee. Instead you take a "proficiency
check" administered by a flight instructor.


Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

On Nov 20, 10:00 am, Brian wrote:

Do I need to perform a check ride to get an additional category and/or
class rating?
************************************************** *************************-************************
No, a check ride is not required. Rather, you will need to follow the
provisions of 14 CFR 61.321, which requires the following:


The private rated glider pilot does not hold a sport pilot certificate
with any category or class so there is no existing (sport pilot)
rating for the airplane category to be added to.

I remain unconvinced that a private rated glider pilot can add sport
airplane privileges without a flight test. Anyone that thinks
otherwise please provide a reference to the appropriate regulation
rather than an interpretation of someone else's comment.

61.307 defines the requirement and references some exceptions to the
requirements. I see nothing that allows a private rated glider pilot
to be exempted.

Andy

On Nov 21, 5:59 am, Andy wrote:

61.307 defines the requirement and references some exceptions to the
requirements. I see nothing that allows a private rated glider pilot
to be exempted.


I may have found my own answer. The sport pilot PTS provides this
satement:


Sport Pilot--Additional Privileges
If you hold a Sport Pilot Certificate or higher and seek to operate an
additional category or class of light-sport aircraft (14 CFR part 61,
section 61.321), you must:
1. receive a logbook endorsement .......
2. successfully complete a proficiency check from an authorized
instructor ......
3. complete an application for those privileges .......
4. receive a logbook endorsement from the instructor .......

So the key piece of information may be that a private glider rating is
assumed to be a higher rating than sport pilot with airplane category.

Anyone done this or know someone that has? How is the certificate
worded?

Andy

On Nov 21, 6:18 am, Andy wrote:
On Nov 21, 5:59 am, Andy wrote:

61.307 defines the requirement and references some exceptions to the
requirements. I see nothing that allows a private rated glider pilot
to be exempted.

You are correct Andy,

If you have a Private Glider Rating then you also have all the
privledges of a Sport Pilot Glider Rating.

With the exception of adding additional Categories and Classes two
it,this is kind of a mute point since there is no medical required for
any glider. This is unlike the Sport Pilot Airplane rating where a
Private Airplane Pilot can fly a Light Sport Airplane without a
medical.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

If you have a Private Glider Rating then you also have all the
privledges of a Sport Pilot Glider Rating.


Sport Pilot rating, with a glider endorsement?

Tony

On Nov 20, 8:07 am, " wrote:
issued drivers license. Now here is the kicker. If you have had your
FAA physical denied or revoked for any reason you can not fly LSA
class but if you have let it laps without the revocation or denial and
can certify lyour health ike you do for a glider then have fun. The
LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)

So if you don't think you can get a medical, but have a driver's
license, and feel fit to fly, and want to fly an "airplane", then the
touring motorglider is still the better deal. Something like a
Diamond Katana Extreme or Stemme S6 will let you fly higher, at night,
and possibly faster than you could in a light sport airplane.

Ain't regulations fun?! :-)

In addition to being able to fly above 10,000 ft, motor gliders can also fly
internationally, which I believe is not currently possible with LSA
aircraft. In south Florida, if you are interested in flying to the Bahamas
(and possibly Cuba after Castro is gone), you are much better off with a
motor glider than an LSA aircraft. One HUGE advantage of the higher maximum
legal altitude, coupled with the better glide ration of a motor glider, is
that you can always be within final glide of land when flying from FL to the
Bahamas, whereas with an LSA aircraft, if you have an engine failure at an
inopportune moment, you are going to have to ditch.

Mike Schumann

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On Nov 20, 8:07 am, " wrote:
issued drivers license. Now here is the kicker. If you have had your
FAA physical denied or revoked for any reason you can not fly LSA
class but if you have let it laps without the revocation or denial and
can certify lyour health ike you do for a glider then have fun. The
LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)

So if you don't think you can get a medical, but have a driver's
license, and feel fit to fly, and want to fly an "airplane", then the
touring motorglider is still the better deal. Something like a
Diamond Katana Extreme or Stemme S6 will let you fly higher, at night,
and possibly faster than you could in a light sport airplane.

Ain't regulations fun?! :-)



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Mike Schumann wrote:
In addition to being able to fly above 10,000 ft, motor gliders can also fly
internationally, which I believe is not currently possible with LSA
aircraft.

I believe that it's the license and not the aircraft. The Sport Pilot
license is not recognized internationally and will likely be unusable
outside the U.S. Similarly, we have a club member who has the Dutch
equivalent of a recreational pilot license. The FAA would not recognize
that either and the member would up getting a U.S. private Pilot license.

As for the 10,000 ft thing - that's because Sport Pilots are not tested
for high altitude operations. I have a page on my club web site (and so
excuse the local references, please) that may be of interest -
http://home.comcast.net/~verhulst/GB...sportpilot.htm

Tony

wrote:
The
LSA limitations are - briefly- max weight 1320 lbs, daylight only, max
two passenger, max speed 120 kts., max altitude 10,000' (yes there is
a LSA glider rating but the 10,000' limitation is still there.)

Is the 10,000 ft MSL limitation on LSA certified aircraft, the pilot
operating under LSA privileges, or both? Can I fly an LSA certified
glider over 10,000 ft if, I'm operating on my private glider pilot
privileges? Can I fly an LSA compliant aircraft with a standard type
certificate (say Piper Cub) over 10,000 ft MSL, if I'm operating on LSA
privileges?

Marc