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Morgans wrote:


The government is going to be doing a similar type of purchase of technology
for the public to make the change from standard definition TV to high
definition TV,


A common misconception. It's not an SD vs HD issue. It's analog vs
digital.

"Newps" wrote

A common misconception. It's not an SD vs HD issue. It's analog vs
digital.

Close enough, for the great masses. My mom has a hard (very hard) time just
operating a TV remote. Tell her HD vs. SD and she has a chance at it.

The only thing you need to know is that it is a different signal format, and
one won't work with the other.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

"Newps" wrote


A common misconception. It's not an SD vs HD issue. It's analog vs
digital.


Close enough, for the great masses. My mom has a hard (very hard) time just
operating a TV remote. Tell her HD vs. SD and she has a chance at it.

The only thing you need to know is that it is a different signal format, and
one won't work with the other.


It is also irrelevant for the vast majority of people. If you have
cable TV or satellite the changeover is a nonissue. It only matters if
you are getting your signal over the air such as by using rabbit ears.

"Newps" wrote

It is also irrelevant for the vast majority of people. If you have cable
TV or satellite the changeover is a nonissue. It only matters if you are
getting your signal over the air such as by using rabbit ears.

How so?

Most of the cable system's local channels are picked up from over the air
broadcasts, and then transmitted to the user over the cables. If there is
no analog signals being broadcast, the signal being sent to the consumer
will be analog. That will require a converter, then.

I would imagine all of the cable only networks will also be using digital
broadcasts at that time, also.

Are you thinking that the cable system will be using boxes that will have a
built in analog output? I have not heard that that is what they will do;
have you?

If that is so, I will still have a problem. I have 1 TV in the house hooked
to the box, with the rest using the raw cable signal, to provide independent
viewing, at least up to channel 77. I would still need converters for those
channels.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

"Newps" wrote


It is also irrelevant for the vast majority of people. If you have cable
TV or satellite the changeover is a nonissue. It only matters if you are
getting your signal over the air such as by using rabbit ears.


How so?

Most of the cable system's local channels are picked up from over the air
broadcasts, and then transmitted to the user over the cables. If there is
no analog signals being broadcast, the signal being sent to the consumer
will be analog. That will require a converter, then.

It is irrelevant how your provider gets their signals or in what form
they get them. I have satellite. All satellite signals(Directv and
Dish) are digital. All older satellite boxes output analog only
signals. These would be the cable jack, RCA jacks and the S Video jack.
Newer boxes eliminate the cable jack but keep the other two. My
current generation Directv HD boxes do this. They also output in
digital format as well, these being component video, DVI and HDMI.
Cable TV is virtually the same. Standard cable is analog. Digital
cable is of course digital but the box will output both formats just
like satellite.



Are you thinking that the cable system will be using boxes that will have a
built in analog output? I have not heard that that is what they will do;
have you?

They do this now.




If that is so, I will still have a problem. I have 1 TV in the house hooked
to the box, with the rest using the raw cable signal, to provide independent
viewing, at least up to channel 77. I would still need converters for those
channels.

I am not aware of any cable system that allows direct hookup of digital
cable right to the back of the TV without first going thru a converter
box. It's certainly possible but I think the hangup is a lack of a
standard. So you're forced to run it thru the box first and the box
simply converts it to channel 3 or 4 if you have an analog TV.

"Newps" wrote

I am not aware of any cable system that allows direct hookup of digital
cable right to the back of the TV without first going thru a converter
box. It's certainly possible but I think the hangup is a lack of a
standard. So you're forced to run it thru the box first and the box
simply converts it to channel 3 or 4 if you have an analog TV.

I'll have to tell Charter that they are doing their signal wrong, cause I
can get channels till the cows come home with the cable going right into the
back of my TV's.
--
Jim in NC

On 25 Nov, 10:50, "Morgans" wrote:
"Newps" wrote



I am not aware of any cable system that allows direct hookup of digital
cable right to the back of the TV without first going thru a converter
box. It's certainly possible but I think the hangup is a lack of a
standard. So you're forced to run it thru the box first and the box
simply converts it to channel 3 or 4 if you have an analog TV.

I'll have to tell Charter that they are doing their signal wrong, cause I
can get channels till the cows come home with the cable going right into the

I have no idea how the US digital TV works and
little idea how th UK one does so I might be comparing
apples with bananas but you can get a convertor
box for 10 GBP (20 USD) here now. These will
absolutely not work with a US TV but they are probably
quite similar in function.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007...digitaltvradio

"We've seen the cheapest digital box go from £100 to £10 in just five
years"
"was introduced in October 2002 and to date, 19m
set-top boxes and TV sets with built in digital receivers
have been sold."

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:50:19 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Newps" wrote

I am not aware of any cable system that allows direct hookup of digital
cable right to the back of the TV without first going thru a converter
box. It's certainly possible but I think the hangup is a lack of a
standard. So you're forced to run it thru the box first and the box
simply converts it to channel 3 or 4 if you have an analog TV.

I'll have to tell Charter that they are doing their signal wrong, cause I
can get channels till the cows come home with the cable going right into the
back of my TV's.

Comcast here has digital OTA through the cable without a converter
box. I would only need a converter box for the pay channels, and
that's not so much of a converter box as it is an access module to
descramble the signals.

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:50:19 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Newps" wrote

I am not aware of any cable system that allows direct hookup of digital
cable right to the back of the TV without first going thru a converter
box. It's certainly possible but I think the hangup is a lack of a
standard. So you're forced to run it thru the box first and the box
simply converts it to channel 3 or 4 if you have an analog TV.

I'll have to tell Charter that they are doing their signal wrong, cause I
can get channels till the cows come home with the cable going right into the
back of my TV's.

Yup. So far around here Carter uses "at the pole" block filters. If
you look up at the bottom of the connection "up there" you'll see one
or more colored plugs.

Roger (K8RI)

In article ,
Newps wrote:

I am not aware of any cable system that allows direct hookup of digital
cable right to the back of the TV without first going thru a converter
box. It's certainly possible but I think the hangup is a lack of a
standard. So you're forced to run it thru the box first and the box
simply converts it to channel 3 or 4 if you have an analog TV.

Some cable companies do have some unencrypted digital cable channels,
but apparently they can change that at will.

from a FAQ at www.elgato.com

3) Unencrypted digital cable - ³Clear QAM" is similar to basic cable, but in
digital form. The channels are not scrambled or blocked, but only a small
number of channels are available for viewing. Some channels may be SDTV
(standard), and some may be HDTV (high definition). Typically, networks like
NBC or FOX will be present, along with public access, shopping, local, PBS, and
perhaps some radio channels.

4) Encrypted digital cable - ³Digital Cable" is typically encrypted, or encoded
so that you need a cable box (or CableCARD) to view it. If you have 500 digital
cable channels that you receive with a cable box, then the majority of these
channels will be encrypted. A Clear QAM tuner can¹t receive encrypted digital
cable; HDHomeRun can¹t receive the majority of your digital cable channels.

Therefore, HDHomeRun only receives a few cable channels, those that are Clear
QAM (unencrypted). It cannot use a cable box, and it can¹t receive most of your
channels. The channels it can receive vary city by city, and some channels may
be there one day, and gone in a few months. Essentially, your cable company
reserves the right to encrypt and decrypt channels at will, but usually you¹ll
see the networks, and some other content.

That said, Clear QAM tuners can receive HDTV content, if available. For example,
ABC may start airing HDTV content at 8PM nightly. That may be 720p or 1080i,
depending on the channel.

Clear QAM also sometimes offers more than one channel on the same frequency. In
that case, EyeTV can open up all channels on the same frequency, at the same
time (or any combination of channels on that frequency).

If you use digital cable, please be aware of the strengths and limitations of
Clear QAM tuners before purchasing HDHomeRun. You may want to contact your
cable company, to find out if any of their channels are in Clear QAM format.
You can also search the internet for such information - it¹s common to find an
article or message board post from people in your same city who are already
using Clear QAM content. Unfortunately, no master list of Clear QAM service
providers is available to Elgato.

--
Bob Noel
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