Confusion

Whenever you are cleared for takeoff and do not get some kind of
instruction from tower (fly runway heading, turn left xxx., etc), be
suspicious.





On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:14:36 -0700, "Jon Woellhaf"
wrote:

I recently filed IFR and received a clearance from Ground. As part of the
clearance, I was told, "... after departure turn left heading 300 ..." I
taxied to the active, did my run-up, called Tower and said I was ready for
departure. I was soon cleared for takeoff.

At about 1000 AGL, I began the left turn to 3000.

About a minute later, when I hadn't yet been told to contact departure, I
asked Tower if they wanted me to contact departure. That's when the
confusion began. The controller said, "I didn't know you wanted to go to
departure, but, yeah, you can contact departure. Good day." "Well, I'm IFR,"
I replied. After a brief pause, Tower said, "Roger. Do me a favor, squawk
1200. I can't give you departure. You didn't tell me you were IFR. I didn't
get you a release."

I said I'd proceed on course VFR and asked if they'd get me a clearance.
They soon got it and handed me off to departure.

Guess I'll remember to remind Tower that I'm IFR from now on, although I
didn't think that was necessary. At least in this case, it was.

Jon

wrote:

Whenever you are cleared for takeoff and do not get some kind of
instruction from tower (fly runway heading, turn left xxx., etc), be
suspicious.

When I was at GFK the ground controller gave you runway heading as part
of the clearance. The local controller didn't have to do anything but
say cleared for takeoff if the approach control left him runway heading
when we got the release.

On Nov 27, 3:56 pm, wrote:

Whenever you are cleared for takeoff and do not get some kind of
instruction from tower (fly runway heading, turn left xxx., etc), be
suspicious.


"... after departure turn left heading 300 ..." was part of the
clearance.

Part of the takeoff clearance?




On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:03:04 -0800 (PST), "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

On Nov 27, 3:56 pm, wrote:

Whenever you are cleared for takeoff and do not get some kind of
instruction from tower (fly runway heading, turn left xxx., etc), be
suspicious.


"... after departure turn left heading 300 ..." was part of the
clearance.

wrote in message
...

Part of the takeoff clearance?


Part of the IFR clearance.

I was speaking of the takeoff clearance, to wit:


"Whenever you are cleared for takeoff and do not get some kind of
instruction from tower (fly runway heading, turn left xxx., etc), be
suspicious."


On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:24:48 -0600, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

Part of the takeoff clearance?


Part of the IFR clearance.

wrote in message
...

I was speaking of the takeoff clearance, to wit:


"Whenever you are cleared for takeoff and do not get some kind of
instruction from tower (fly runway heading, turn left xxx., etc), be
suspicious."


That wasn't the case here. The OP had an instruction like that from the
tower, it was issued by ground control as part of the IFR clearance. No
reason to be suspicious.

When I am IFR, and the tower does not issue some heading instruction
on takeoff, I get suspicious, and I double check. More often than
not (not always), I have found the situation to be as described - the
tower didn't get the word. So the risk/reward has been favorable.

Your experience may be different.





On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 04:30:37 -0600, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

I was speaking of the takeoff clearance, to wit:


"Whenever you are cleared for takeoff and do not get some kind of
instruction from tower (fly runway heading, turn left xxx., etc), be
suspicious."


That wasn't the case here. The OP had an instruction like that from the
tower, it was issued by ground control as part of the IFR clearance. No
reason to be suspicious.

On Nov 27, 1:56 pm, wrote:
Whenever you are cleared for takeoff and do not get some kind of
instruction from tower (fly runway heading, turn left xxx., etc), be
suspicious.

Have you ever not been given such instructions when VFR?? I've never
gotten a VFR takeoff clearance that didn't include some instruction on
what heading (or at least direction) to fly until leaving the class D.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Nov 27, 1:56 pm, wrote:
Whenever you are cleared for takeoff and do not get some kind of
instruction from tower (fly runway heading, turn left xxx., etc), be
suspicious.

Have you ever not been given such instructions when VFR?? I've never
gotten a VFR takeoff clearance that didn't include some instruction on
what heading (or at least direction) to fly until leaving the class D.


From class B's and certain class C's it was given to me prior to
taxi. The Dulles standard VFR departure is:

Cleared into the class B via fly runway heading maintain vfr at
or below 1500 departure frqeuency 126.1 squawk 0423

Very unusual at class D towers to be given any restriction after
takeoff.