Professionally built?

es330td wrote:
I searched controller.com for lancair and found an entry that says
"Professionally built." Now I know that a homebuilt owner does not
have to build the entire thing themself but I thought it still had to
be an amateur undertaking. How does this pass muster with the FAA?

The words PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR are not mutually exclusive.
Get a dictionary.

On Nov 28, 7:40 am, Ron Natalie wrote:

The words PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR are not mutually exclusive.
Get a dictionary.

Ok, I did.

You're right, someone could be an amateur as in experienced while
doing something for hire as opposed to doing it for personal
achievement and satisfaction. For home builts planes, I'm sure it is
"buyer beware" anyway.

Ron Natalie schreef:

The words PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR are not mutually exclusive.
Get a dictionary.

Sorry, but as non-native English speaker I am confused here.
To my poor bit of learning, the meanings a
-) professional: mainly for profit, some fun not excluded
-) amateur: mainly for fun, some profit not excluded.
I don't have a dictionary handy - what does yours say?

In article ,
jan olieslagers wrote:

Ron Natalie schreef:

The words PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR are not mutually exclusive.
Get a dictionary.

Sorry, but as non-native English speaker I am confused here.
To my poor bit of learning, the meanings a
-) professional: mainly for profit, some fun not excluded

Close enough. The job/work implication is the important part.

Notice that it doesn't necessarily preclude enjoying that work.

-) amateur: mainly for fun, some profit not excluded.
I don't have a dictionary handy - what does yours say?

Amateur literally derives from "lover of" something. You might get some
payback, but the love of the doing is the main point, and you'd probably
continue doing the thing with no received income.

jan olieslagers wrote:
Ron Natalie schreef:

The words PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR are not mutually exclusive.
Get a dictionary.

Sorry, but as non-native English speaker I am confused here.
To my poor bit of learning, the meanings a
-) professional: mainly for profit, some fun not excluded
-) amateur: mainly for fun, some profit not excluded.
I don't have a dictionary handy - what does yours say?


The 4th definition of Professional in my dictionary.


4. Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job.

jan olieslagers wrote:
Ron Natalie schreef:

The words PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR are not mutually exclusive.
Get a dictionary.

Sorry, but as non-native English speaker I am confused here.
To my poor bit of learning, the meanings a
-) professional: mainly for profit, some fun not excluded
-) amateur: mainly for fun, some profit not excluded.
I don't have a dictionary handy - what does yours say?


Amateur: One who loves or is fond of; one who has a taste for something
professional: following a line of conduct as if it were a calling
requiring speciallized knowledge and often long and intensive
academic profession.


Amateur means you like it.
Professional means you do a skillful job.

The "for free" vs. "for pay" distinction is primarily an
archaic sports distinction.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:40:47 -0500, Ron Natalie
wrote:

es330td wrote:
I searched controller.com for lancair and found an entry that says
"Professionally built." Now I know that a homebuilt owner does not
have to build the entire thing themself but I thought it still had to
be an amateur undertaking. How does this pass muster with the FAA?

The words PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR are not mutually exclusive.
Get a dictionary.

It's strange how the word Amateur has been misused to the point where
people think of it as beginners or unskilled. IIRC it's derived from
Latin and means, generally one who does something for the love of
doing it, or they enjoy what they are doing.

Roger (K8RI)

Roger (K8RI) schreef:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:40:47 -0500, Ron Natalie
wrote:

es330td wrote:
I searched controller.com for lancair and found an entry that says
"Professionally built." Now I know that a homebuilt owner does not
have to build the entire thing themself but I thought it still had to
be an amateur undertaking. How does this pass muster with the FAA?
The words PROFESSIONAL and AMATEUR are not mutually exclusive.
Get a dictionary.

It's strange how the word Amateur has been misused to the point where
people think of it as beginners or unskilled. IIRC it's derived from
Latin and means, generally one who does something for the love of
doing it, or they enjoy what they are doing.

No need for Latin, some knowledge of French is enough.
"Amateur" == whoever acts by "amour" i.e. "love".
Indeed "I love to be sysadmin" is not exclusive with
"I earn my living as a sysadmin", as can be seen in my own life.

But the words ARE exclusive when we compare
"I build a plane with the FIRST PURPOSE of gaining money"
versus
"I build a plane MAINLY because I love to".

No need for Latin perhaps, but the French, Spanish, Italian and some related
English words have their roots in the Latin verb for love, amo.

ANd yes, after fifty years without speaking it, I can still do first
declension conjugation:

amo
amas
amat
amamus
amatis
amant

Jim




It's strange how the word Amateur has been misused to the point where
people think of it as beginners or unskilled. IIRC it's derived from
Latin and means, generally one who does something for the love of
doing it, or they enjoy what they are doing.

No need for Latin, some knowledge of French is enough.
"Amateur" == whoever acts by "amour" i.e. "love".
Indeed "I love to be sysadmin" is not exclusive with
"I earn my living as a sysadmin", as can be seen in my own life.

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...
No need for Latin perhaps, but the French, Spanish, Italian and some
related English words have their roots in the Latin verb for love, amo.

ANd yes, after fifty years without speaking it, I can still do first
declension conjugation:

amo
amas
amat
amamus
amatis
amant

Jim

A declension W H O ? ? ?
;-)
--
Jim in NC