Confusion

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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This has happened to me several times. Now I *NEVER* tell the tower
I'm ready for take off if I'm IFR, I say "Ready for Release". Since
then I've never had a problem.


And if the tower respnds by telling you you're released? What do you do?

Any needed release should have been obtained during the taxi so that when
you are ready for takeoff you can be so cleared.



BTW: Once this could have been really dangerous. I was flying out of
Santa Barbara where they often use a different runway for IFR and VFR.
I told the tower I was ready to take off on runway XXX. Tower
responded with "Cleared for take off". I said "that airliner on final
looks really close". Tower said "Oh, I thought you were VFR I didn't
realize you were at runway XXX". So bottom line, never say "take off"
when you're IFR.


I believe the AIM uses "ready for departure".

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:



I believe the AIM uses "ready for departure".



Thanks Steve, I feel vindicated. I use "xxx tower, N3351W ready for
departure runway xx". I assume if I've gotten a clearance from ground
or clearance delivery that tower has gotten a strip on me. I can't
recall ever getting an IFR lost by the tower. I've had strips dropped
on occasion crossing sector boundaries, but those are always quickly
resolved. I certainly would yell if tower told me to squawk or remain
VFR after departing on an IFR clearance, as it puts the onus on me to
get back into the system if I want to be in the system.

On Nov 28, 4:18 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

And if the tower respnds by telling you you're released? What do you do?

That's never happened.

Any needed release should have been obtained during the taxi so that when
you are ready for takeoff you can be so cleared.

ATC seems to be able to secure the release during taxi at most 40% of
the time. Usually when you tell tower you are ready to go they tell
you that they are still waiting for your release from departure.

I believe the AIM uses "ready for departure".

Since that almost killed me once, I'm not going to do it again.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Nov 28, 4:18 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


And if the tower respnds by telling you you're released? What do you do?


That's never happened.


It hasn't happened to you yet. What will you do when it does?



Any needed release should have been obtained during the taxi so that when
you are ready for takeoff you can be so cleared.


ATC seems to be able to secure the release during taxi at most 40% of
the time. Usually when you tell tower you are ready to go they tell
you that they are still waiting for your release from departure.


That's rather inefficient.



I believe the AIM uses "ready for departure".


Since that almost killed me once, I'm not going to do it again.


Please explain how reporting "ready for departure" almost killed you.

On Nov 29, 4:16 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ...

On Nov 28, 4:18 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

And if the tower respnds by telling you you're released? What do you do?

That's never happened.

It hasn't happened to you yet. What will you do when it does?

That would be somewhat odd for a controller to release you at a
tower'd field but not clear you for take off. The phrase we need to
hear is 'cleared for takeoff'.


ATC seems to be able to secure the release during taxi at most 40% of
the time. Usually when you tell tower you are ready to go they tell
you that they are still waiting for your release from departure.

That's rather inefficient.

Well I'd love it if my release was ready when I got to the runup, but
sadly I've found it to be less than common.

Since that almost killed me once, I'm not going to do it again.

Please explain how reporting "ready for departure" almost killed you.

I thought I already did. I told tower I was "ready for takeoff runway
XXX". Tower said "Cleared for take off", I said "what about that big
airliner on final, tower said, "oh I though you were at the VFR
runway, YYY, hold short XXX". This was at a class C airport.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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That would be somewhat odd for a controller to release you at a
tower'd field but not clear you for take off. The phrase we need to
hear is 'cleared for takeoff'.


If you want to hear "cleared for takeoff" you should say something that
clearly tells the tower you're ready for takeoff, "ready for takeoff" or
"ready for departure" do that, "ready for release" doesn't do that.



I thought I already did. I told tower I was "ready for takeoff runway
XXX". Tower said "Cleared for take off", I said "what about that big
airliner on final, tower said, "oh I though you were at the VFR
runway, YYY, hold short XXX". This was at a class C airport.


Reporting "ready for departure" instead of "ready for takeoff" had nothing
to do with the controller's mistake about your location.

On Dec 1, 2:38 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ...



That would be somewhat odd for a controller to release you at a
tower'd field but not clear you for take off. The phrase we need to
hear is 'cleared for takeoff'.

If you want to hear "cleared for takeoff" you should say something that
clearly tells the tower you're ready for takeoff, "ready for takeoff" or
"ready for departure" do that, "ready for release" doesn't do that.



I thought I already did. I told tower I was "ready for takeoff runway
XXX". Tower said "Cleared for take off", I said "what about that big
airliner on final, tower said, "oh I though you were at the VFR
runway, YYY, hold short XXX". This was at a class C airport.

Reporting "ready for departure" instead of "ready for takeoff" had nothing
to do with the controller's mistake about your location.

Unless the tower is used to getting departure releases for VFR
aircraft I would hope it would give him enough pause to not make the
mistake. In any case, since I've used this phrase I've not had a
problem. I did have a controller once say "oh, your IFR".

-Robert