RIP Cessna...Skycatcher

Darkwing wrote:
Building it in China, OH JOY! I would think this would be a negative.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news..._196672-1.html

Cessna has chosen the Chinese-government owned Shenyang Aircraft
Corp. to build the Model 162 Skycatcher. Earlier this week, Cessna
announced it would be building the Light Sport Aircraft offshore. In
a news release, Cessna CEO Jack Pelton said the company needed top
quality at a competitive price and SAC put it all together. "Our
solution is to partner with SAC, a company with excellent facilities,
state-of-the-art technologies and a workforce highly experienced in
aircraft manufacturing. SkyCatcher customers will get an advanced
design, high-quality workmanship and world-class product support, all
at an affordable price from Cessna, a brand known and trusted
worldwide." The move, coupled with Cessna's acquisition of Columbia
Aircraft has dominated Cessna's profile in recent months as it
continues to pile up record sales for its business jets.


I'd demand my deposit back.

I'd demand my deposit back.

Me, too.

Dang, it's hard to find ANYTHING not made in China anymore. I've
noticed that even many of the books I've been buying lately are from
China now...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I'd demand my deposit back.

Me, too.

Dang, it's hard to find ANYTHING not made in China anymore. I've
noticed that even many of the books I've been buying lately are from
China now...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


This will be a PR nightmare for Cessna IMO. How long until the Skycatcher is
known as a Chinese POS? Even if I chose an overseas builder I would NEVER of
chose a Chinese company only through perception alone.

We sold some Chinese made scooters a couple years back. Total pieces of
****. Constantly breaking down, had to reset the valve lash and timing
straight from the company, nothing but problems. The carbs were ALWAYS
plugged from the factory and had to be rebuilt and devarnished from the
factory. We bailed on that deal pretty quick.

Darkwing wrote:

This will be a PR nightmare for Cessna IMO. How long until the Skycatcher is
known as a Chinese POS? Even if I chose an overseas builder I would NEVER of
chose a Chinese company only through perception alone.

To be fair, Cessna did chose an old and reputable Chinese aircraft
manufacturer. Those Chinese CJ-6 trainers and the Chinese versions of the
MiGs have been made by Shenyang since the 50s.


We sold some Chinese made scooters a couple years back. Total pieces of
****. Constantly breaking down, had to reset the valve lash and timing
straight from the company, nothing but problems. The carbs were ALWAYS
plugged from the factory and had to be rebuilt and devarnished from the
factory. We bailed on that deal pretty quick.

Are you really comparing an established aircraft manufacturer with the
makers of cheap scooters? Most of those low quality scooters are built in
backyard sheds throughout China. Not exactly the same thing.

While it would be nice for Cessna to manufacture their LSA in the U.S.,
it's just not going to happen in the current competitive climate. When the
LSA market finally shakes out, I'm betting that the players left standing
will be the ones manufacturing somewhere in Asia.


John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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Darkwing wrote:

This will be a PR nightmare for Cessna IMO. How long until the Skycatcher
is
known as a Chinese POS? Even if I chose an overseas builder I would NEVER
of
chose a Chinese company only through perception alone.

To be fair, Cessna did chose an old and reputable Chinese aircraft
manufacturer. Those Chinese CJ-6 trainers and the Chinese versions of the
MiGs have been made by Shenyang since the 50s.


We sold some Chinese made scooters a couple years back. Total pieces of
****. Constantly breaking down, had to reset the valve lash and timing
straight from the company, nothing but problems. The carbs were ALWAYS
plugged from the factory and had to be rebuilt and devarnished from the
factory. We bailed on that deal pretty quick.

Are you really comparing an established aircraft manufacturer with the
makers of cheap scooters? Most of those low quality scooters are built in
backyard sheds throughout China. Not exactly the same thing.

While it would be nice for Cessna to manufacture their LSA in the U.S.,
it's just not going to happen in the current competitive climate. When
the
LSA market finally shakes out, I'm betting that the players left standing
will be the ones manufacturing somewhere in Asia.


No and I was going to qualify that post but didn't think about it until
afterwards. Of course with Usenet there is no going back, this isn't
Ultimate BB.

I just think that Cessna is making a mistake from at least the MARKETING end
of things. Chinese build aero-plane? Screw that! Ever seen Back to the
Future Part III? Look at this part, no wonder it failed it says made in
Japan! What do you mean? All the best stuff is made in Japan! I'm sure over
time the good Chinese factories will rise up and the crap builders will die
off just like in any business but it will take a lot of time for Chinese
made goods to be considered equal to many other countries in the world.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:40:11 -0500, Darkwing wrote:

I just think that Cessna is making a mistake from at least the MARKETING end
of things. Chinese build aero-plane? Screw that! Ever seen Back to the
Future Part III? Look at this part, no wonder it failed it says made in
Japan! What do you mean? All the best stuff is made in Japan! I'm sure over
time the good Chinese factories will rise up and the crap builders will die
off just like in any business but it will take a lot of time for Chinese
made goods to be considered equal to many other countries in the world.

Not really since they own and mfg the leading business laptops from Lenovo
(was IBM). Cessna knows what they are doing. My bet is that this is a
positive thing.
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The are going to regret not building these in the US if the $ continues its
downward spiral.

Mike Schumann

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
news:7be77acf17473@uwe...
Darkwing wrote:

This will be a PR nightmare for Cessna IMO. How long until the Skycatcher
is
known as a Chinese POS? Even if I chose an overseas builder I would NEVER
of
chose a Chinese company only through perception alone.

To be fair, Cessna did chose an old and reputable Chinese aircraft
manufacturer. Those Chinese CJ-6 trainers and the Chinese versions of the
MiGs have been made by Shenyang since the 50s.


We sold some Chinese made scooters a couple years back. Total pieces of
****. Constantly breaking down, had to reset the valve lash and timing
straight from the company, nothing but problems. The carbs were ALWAYS
plugged from the factory and had to be rebuilt and devarnished from the
factory. We bailed on that deal pretty quick.

Are you really comparing an established aircraft manufacturer with the
makers of cheap scooters? Most of those low quality scooters are built in
backyard sheds throughout China. Not exactly the same thing.

While it would be nice for Cessna to manufacture their LSA in the U.S.,
it's just not going to happen in the current competitive climate. When
the
LSA market finally shakes out, I'm betting that the players left standing
will be the ones manufacturing somewhere in Asia.


John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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The are going to regret not building these in the US if the $ continues
its downward spiral.

Mike Schumann

The Chinese money (the Yian or something?) is tied to the price of the US
dollar so even if the dollar falls the percentage doesn't change. That is
actually something that is a matter of contention with other countries at
the moment.

On 2007-11-28 13:37:55 -0800, "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com said:


"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
.. .
The are going to regret not building these in the US if the $ continues
its downward spiral.

Mike Schumann

The Chinese money (the Yian or something?) is tied to the price of the US
dollar so even if the dollar falls the percentage doesn't change. That is
actually something that is a matter of contention with other countries at
the moment.

After much pressure by the United States, as of July 21, 2005 the yuan
was no longer directly tied to the dollar, although it is not quite
free-floating, either. The yuan has been rising against the dollar of
late, although it was down slightly today.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Me thinks Cessna is looking at the soon to be much more lucrative Chinese (read Asian) training market...

No way the cheep scooter compares, maybe, at least the engine is O-200...



"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message news:7be77acf17473@uwe...
Darkwing wrote:

This will be a PR nightmare for Cessna IMO. How long until the Skycatcher is
known as a Chinese POS? Even if I chose an overseas builder I would NEVER of
chose a Chinese company only through perception alone.

To be fair, Cessna did chose an old and reputable Chinese aircraft
manufacturer. Those Chinese CJ-6 trainers and the Chinese versions of the
MiGs have been made by Shenyang since the 50s.


We sold some Chinese made scooters a couple years back. Total pieces of
****. Constantly breaking down, had to reset the valve lash and timing
straight from the company, nothing but problems. The carbs were ALWAYS
plugged from the factory and had to be rebuilt and devarnished from the
factory. We bailed on that deal pretty quick.

Are you really comparing an established aircraft manufacturer with the
makers of cheap scooters? Most of those low quality scooters are built in
backyard sheds throughout China. Not exactly the same thing.

While it would be nice for Cessna to manufacture their LSA in the U.S.,
it's just not going to happen in the current competitive climate. When the
LSA market finally shakes out, I'm betting that the players left standing
will be the ones manufacturing somewhere in Asia.


John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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