Barf bags don't work in zero G's

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in news:zO-
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Aviv Hod wrote:
Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags...k-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv
In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
would recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not
tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the high
rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create
the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes right on
through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast enough and
these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to the extreme,
this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
to impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.


Waht was that first part again?


Bertie

Bad JuJu :-)


Yep. What an asshole!
When I used to give aerobatic rides in the Stearmans, we had our share
of casualties. We always briefed a signal if the passenger was getting
uncomfortable. Sometimes it caught up on them, though and if you saw a
head going over the cockpit side your foot went down on the same side
quick-ish so you didn't get a faceful yourself. A couple of people just
put their head 'twxth their knees, but fortunately, the Stearman had a
removable pan beneath the cockpits you could release with a few dzus and
a quick hosing our was all that was needed.
Now there's a well thought out airplane.



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in news:zO-
:

Aviv Hod wrote:
Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags...k-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv
In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
would recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not
tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the high
rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create
the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes right on
through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast enough and
these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to the extreme,
this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
to impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.

Waht was that first part again?


Bertie
Bad JuJu :-)


Yep. What an asshole!
When I used to give aerobatic rides in the Stearmans, we had our share
of casualties. We always briefed a signal if the passenger was getting
uncomfortable. Sometimes it caught up on them, though and if you saw a
head going over the cockpit side your foot went down on the same side
quick-ish so you didn't get a faceful yourself. A couple of people just
put their head 'twxth their knees, but fortunately, the Stearman had a
removable pan beneath the cockpits you could release with a few dzus and
a quick hosing our was all that was needed.
Now there's a well thought out airplane.



Bertie




I've tried that rudder trick myself in a Great Lakes....with mixed
results :-))
The Stearman is a great airplane. We had a 450 on the field I flew once
in a while with the owner. Don't know if you ever had the chance to fly
the 450. It was a whole new airplane. I remember laughing to myself on
my first takeoff. I didn't have the power in before I broke ground. The
nose visuals were about the same as the Mustang.....non-existent :-))



--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in news:zO-
:

Aviv Hod wrote:
Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready,
it's not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags...k-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv
In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
would recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage
not tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the
high rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to
"create the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes
right on through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast
enough and these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to
the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
to impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.

Waht was that first part again?


Bertie
Bad JuJu :-)


Yep. What an asshole!
When I used to give aerobatic rides in the Stearmans, we had our
share of casualties. We always briefed a signal if the passenger was
getting uncomfortable. Sometimes it caught up on them, though and if
you saw a head going over the cockpit side your foot went down on the
same side quick-ish so you didn't get a faceful yourself. A couple of
people just put their head 'twxth their knees, but fortunately, the
Stearman had a removable pan beneath the cockpits you could release
with a few dzus and a quick hosing our was all that was needed.
Now there's a well thought out airplane.



Bertie




I've tried that rudder trick myself in a Great Lakes....with mixed
results :-))
The Stearman is a great airplane. We had a 450 on the field I flew
once in a while with the owner. Don't know if you ever had the chance
to fly the 450. It was a whole new airplane. I remember laughing to
myself on my first takeoff. I didn't have the power in before I broke
ground. The nose visuals were about the same as the
Mustang.....non-existent :-))


Most of my time is in Lyc and Contineal powered ones. The only 450 I
flew was a duster and it weighed so much it went about the same as the
stock ones!


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in news:zO-
:

Aviv Hod wrote:
Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready,
it's not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags...k-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv
In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
would recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage
not tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the
high rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to
"create the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes
right on through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast
enough and these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to
the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
to impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.

Waht was that first part again?


Bertie
Bad JuJu :-)

Yep. What an asshole!
When I used to give aerobatic rides in the Stearmans, we had our
share of casualties. We always briefed a signal if the passenger was
getting uncomfortable. Sometimes it caught up on them, though and if
you saw a head going over the cockpit side your foot went down on the
same side quick-ish so you didn't get a faceful yourself. A couple of
people just put their head 'twxth their knees, but fortunately, the
Stearman had a removable pan beneath the cockpits you could release
with a few dzus and a quick hosing our was all that was needed.
Now there's a well thought out airplane.



Bertie




I've tried that rudder trick myself in a Great Lakes....with mixed
results :-))
The Stearman is a great airplane. We had a 450 on the field I flew
once in a while with the owner. Don't know if you ever had the chance
to fly the 450. It was a whole new airplane. I remember laughing to
myself on my first takeoff. I didn't have the power in before I broke
ground. The nose visuals were about the same as the
Mustang.....non-existent :-))


Most of my time is in Lyc and Contineal powered ones. The only 450 I
flew was a duster and it weighed so much it went about the same as the
stock ones!


Bertie



I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450 was
heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole lot of
fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)


--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450 was
heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole lot of
fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)



Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course) and demanding enough to
do aerobatics in, but it was no Waco...
The Lakes was even better, but I got only a little time in them.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450 was
heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole lot of
fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)



Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)

Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.




and demanding enough to
do aerobatics in, but it was no Waco...

Never flew the Wacos. Great airplanes.
The Lakes was even better, but I got only a little time in them.

The Lakes was a real fun machine. Stable and feisty enough (unless you
had flown a Jungmiester that is :-))


--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450
was heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole
lot of fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)



Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)

Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.


That's right. He wasn't the only one, either.
The steel McCauley had an AD on it which is one reason why you see so many
converted to wood props nowadays.
Aside from that, at the time I flew them anyway, the airframe was
completely AD free. I think thy ehave a couple of age related ones now but
nothing too serious if looked after. I still can't figure out how they came
up with a redline on the thing, We could never get them to go faster than
about 170 standing on the pedals.


Bertie