RIP Cirrus

Jay,

You really gotta wonder where Piper is in all this.


Dead. Plain and simple. Their sales numbers are orders of magnitude
below Cirrus and Cessna.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Newps wrote:
Darkwing wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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news.verizon.net writes:


If this had happened 2 or 3 years ago I would agree but not now.
Cirrus has
established themselves very well in the marketplace and there are
enough of
their planes out that now to overcome the long term name of Cessna.

Where does Cirrus build its aircraft?

Wow you don't know this of all things??

Duluth, Minnesota.

Yep and major subassemblies made in a foreign country, Scandinavia. Er,
North Dakota. Whatever.

Isn't this about the point at which the resident xenophobes start
ranting about the company's majority owner being an arm of the First
Islamic Investment Bank of Bahrain?

(Contrary to common belief, BTW, the dominant ancestry in North Dakota
[and Minnesota for that matter] is German, not that of any of the
Scandinavian nations.)

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Rich Ahrens wrote:

Isn't this about the point at which the resident xenophobes start
ranting about the company's majority owner being an arm of the First
Islamic Investment Bank of Bahrain?

I'm not xenophoic at all and spent most summers there from 76-81. But are
you saying the US part of Arcapita (formerly known as Islamic Investment
Bank of Bahrain) didn't purchase 50 something percent of Cirrus in '01 or
'02?

I don't know how much of that has been sold off since but there was a point
in time that the statment "Islamic Investment Bank of Bahrain is the
majority owner of Cirrus" was true.

You misunderstood. It's absolutely true that Crescent Capital (now
renamed Arcapita) bought a majority stake in 2001. They also bought
controlling interest in Caribou Coffee, another Minnesota business. No,
what I'm mocking is the kind of xenophobic crap in the Skycatcher
thread: "No way am I buying any aeroplane built by them heathen
Chinee..." I expect similar ranting about Cirrus. All that profit going
to...who???

"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
ouse.com...

"No way am I buying any aeroplane built by them heathen Chinee..."

F'ck the Chinese. I don't care if people call it xenophobic. They're
environment-trashing, human-rights-violating, child-abandoning,
dissident-imprisoning communists who sell weapons to our enemies and block
their population from accessing the truth about the world and their
government.

Xenophobic? What are the chances of the Dalai Lama dropping in to watch the
Olympics without disappearing?

It's not phobic to say that China is our ideological enemy. But I -could-
be phobic, because anybody who has nuclear weapons pointed at my home or
tries to steal our military technology is my enemy.

-c

Rich Ahrens wrote:
is the majority owner of Cirrus" was true.

You misunderstood. It's absolutely true that Crescent Capital (now
renamed Arcapita) bought a majority stake in 2001. They also bought
controlling interest in Caribou Coffee, another Minnesota business.
No, what I'm mocking is the kind of xenophobic crap in the Skycatcher
thread: "No way am I buying any aeroplane built by them heathen
Chinee..." I expect similar ranting about Cirrus. All that profit
going to...who???

There is a big difference in the two situations. Actually there are several
but one is important.

In the case of the Skycatcher you have a US company moving jobs to a country
that is, to use your own word, heathen by any definition you can find, and
has a history of providing less than quality products.

On the Cirrus side you have a foreign country, that while the religion it
follows is generally anti US, has a long an productive relationship with the
west and the US in particular. And even if you hate everything they stand
for at least they are sending some of the money back to the US that we sent
over there.

What it boils down to is money into the US=Good. Money out of the US=Bad.

Gatt wrote:
"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
ouse.com...

"No way am I buying any aeroplane built by them heathen Chinee..."

F'ck the Chinese. I don't care if people call it xenophobic. They're
environment-trashing, human-rights-violating, child-abandoning,
dissident-imprisoning communists who sell weapons to our enemies and block
their population from accessing the truth about the world and their
government.

Sound like ideal allies and trading partners then - certainly we have or
have had plenty of other allies guilty of all the above.

Xenophobic? What are the chances of the Dalai Lama dropping in to watch the
Olympics without disappearing?

It's not phobic to say that China is our ideological enemy. But I -could-
be phobic, because anybody who has nuclear weapons pointed at my home or
tries to steal our military technology is my enemy.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
On the Cirrus side you have a foreign country, that while the religion it
follows is generally anti US, has a long an productive relationship with the
west and the US in particular. And even if you hate everything they stand
for at least they are sending some of the money back to the US that we sent
over there.

What it boils down to is money into the US=Good. Money out of the US=Bad.

Make up your mind. You were just bitching about Cessna maximizing its
profit by outsourcing. Seems to me that profit is money into the US...

On Nov 29, 8:04 pm, Rich Ahrens wrote:
Gatt wrote:
"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
house.com...

"No way am I buying any aeroplane built by them heathen Chinee..."

F'ck the Chinese. I don't care if people call it xenophobic. They're
environment-trashing, human-rights-violating, child-abandoning,
dissident-imprisoning communists who sell weapons to our enemies and block
their population from accessing the truth about the world and their
government.

Sound like ideal allies and trading partners then - certainly we have or
have had plenty of other allies guilty of all the above.

Xenophobic? What are the chances of the Dalai Lama dropping in to watch the
Olympics without disappearing?

It's not phobic to say that China is our ideological enemy. But I -could-
be phobic, because anybody who has nuclear weapons pointed at my home or
tries to steal our military technology is my enemy.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

You have no point. Gatt is 100% correct. Placating the Chinese with
trade won't last. Eventually, they will exercise their military. I
am expecting them to invade Siberia in an effort to expand their
territory and gain access to more natural resources. How do you say
"Liebensraum" in Chinese?

wrote in
:

On Nov 29, 8:04 pm, Rich Ahrens wrote:
Gatt wrote:
"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
house.com...

"No way am I buying any aeroplane built by them heathen Chinee..."

F'ck the Chinese. I don't care if people call it xenophobic.
They're environment-trashing, human-rights-violating,
child-abandoning, dissident-imprisoning communists who sell weapons
to our enemies and block their population from accessing the truth
about the world and their government.

Sound like ideal allies and trading partners then - certainly we have
or have had plenty of other allies guilty of all the above.

Xenophobic? What are the chances of the Dalai Lama dropping in to
watch the Olympics without disappearing?

It's not phobic to say that China is our ideological enemy. But I
-could- be phobic, because anybody who has nuclear weapons pointed
at my home or tries to steal our military technology is my enemy.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

You have no point. Gatt is 100% correct. Placating the Chinese with
trade won't last. Eventually, they will exercise their military. I
am expecting them to invade Siberia in an effort to expand their
territory and gain access to more natural resources. How do you say
"Liebensraum" in Chinese?


Well, you say it as Lebensraum in German, for starters.


Bertie

"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
ouse.com...

"No way am I buying any aeroplane built by them heathen Chinee..."

F'ck the Chinese. I don't care if people call it xenophobic. They're
environment-trashing, human-rights-violating, child-abandoning,
dissident-imprisoning communists who sell weapons to our enemies and
block their population from accessing the truth about the world and their
government.

Sound like ideal allies and trading partners then - certainly we have or
have had plenty of other allies guilty of all the above.

Not nearly on the scale of China. Of course, we should avoid business with
any of those nations. (Like Saudi Arabia or Sudan.)

Xenophobic? What are the chances of the Dalai Lama dropping in to watch
the Olympics without disappearing?

It's not phobic to say that China is our ideological enemy. But
I -could- be phobic, because anybody who has nuclear weapons pointed at
my home or tries to steal our military technology is my enemy.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

Sorry. You're incorrect. It's not xenophobic to call an enemy government the
enemy. I'm not xenophobic for thinking Fidel Castro is a jackass either.
Both governments, coincidentially, have some of the worst media and free
speech censorship on earth. I have no moral qualms whatsoever about
criticizing their governments for what they are.

Fortunately, everywhere except for places like China and Cuba, we don't go
to prison for speaking out against them. There, we would. Wouldn't we?

-c