Pegasus or ....?

On Nov 29, 5:16 pm, (Michel Talon) wrote:
By the way, you can find the other manufacturers at the same place.

Thanks for the links. I've also got the Johnson flight tests for both
the 19 and the Cirrus, and again there isn't much between the two
(afaik Johnson never tested the Pegase). The 19 has a slight edge, or
would with equal wing loading. But IMHO handling is a factor in XC
speed - the easier and more forgiving a ship is to fly, the more you
can concentrate on tactics - and that can't be discerned from polars.


Dan

Dan G wrote:
On Nov 29, 5:16 pm, (Michel Talon) wrote:
By the way, you can find the other manufacturers at the same place.

Thanks for the links. I've also got the Johnson flight tests for both
the 19 and the Cirrus, and again there isn't much between the two
(afaik Johnson never tested the Pegase). The 19 has a slight edge, or
would with equal wing loading. But IMHO handling is a factor in XC
speed - the easier and more forgiving a ship is to fly, the more you
can concentrate on tactics - and that can't be discerned from polars.


Dan

You may have discovered my bias from my previous post, but as much as i
liked the ASW15, i disliked the ASW19. For me, it has bad handling,
doesn't climb well. I have flewn the Libelle, the Cirrus, the LS1, LS3,
LS4 and many others, and liked them, but not the 19. Of course this is
very dependant on each individual, because i am sure many people like
the 19. Anyways, objectively, the performance difference between the
Pegase and the 19 is the same as between the Discus and the Pegase. The
handling of the Pegase is "modern", same type as the LS4, etc. and quite
different from the handling of old style gliders. This is perhaps the
reason why someone characterized it as a truck ... Personnally i like
its stability, and it climbs very well. Also the air brakes are very
effective. Of course for an american pilot, it is probably not a good
choice due to the 3000 hours limit. I think it is a shame that Centrair
has handled this issue in such a deplorable way.

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Michel TALON

In what way do the "modern" glass ships differ from the older ones in
the handling department? Why would that account for someones opinion
that the Peg handled like a truck? I would think that a modern ship
would handle better than an older one, not worse. My only time in a
glass single place is in my ASW 15 and I think the handing is fine. Of
course, my comparison gliders are two seaters (L13, 2-33, Grob) . Not
exactly nimble ships. Just how different is an LS4/Peg etc. from my
15? Roll rate? Lighter controls? Is it a case of not missing what I've
never had?

On the control connection issue, the ASW 15 is not automatic and
getting those safety pins in was a real pain. I put the safety sleeves
on and now its a non-issue. I check the connections at least 3-4 times
and ALWAYS do a PCC. Manual hook ups is not a reason for me to cross a
ship my list of potential new (to me) gliders.

Mike
ASW 15 but in the market