A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Soaring
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

New winch height record



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old November 30th 07, 12:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan G
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 245
Default New winch height record

On Nov 29, 10:24 pm, "Sönke Gutzlaff" wrote:
I've learned that 100km/h is fast enough, our instructors even say 90km/h
ist the perfect speed for the 21 to gain maximun high.
I had lot of cable breaks this year and no problems with the speed. You've
only to react fast enough. And the 21 is a very friendly flying plane (with
our other planes, especially the ASW19 I prefer higher speeds on winch
launch) and you normaly are not pulling the stick full back before you reach
the safety high.


What do your instructors say about using back-stick in the K21?

I just did my annual winch-launch checks and mine wouldn't let me use
any back-stick at all. A K21 will still launch perfectly well like
that but I *know* that I'm not getting the best out the launch like
that. On the other hand my instructor did play a neat trick on me - he
distracted me by suddening say "look at that plane!" and pulling the
release at the same time. I *did* hesitate in getting the nose down
and even though it was only a small delay by the time I'd finished the
push-over to the recovery attitude there was only 40 knots on the
clock. Took a fair few seconds to get the speed back up before braking
down to a straight-ahead landing.

That was a bit of an eye-opener, to be honest.


Dan
  #2  
Old November 30th 07, 08:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Bert Willing[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 50
Default New winch height record

Well, if you have the stick fully back (which I often have, and don't object
to with my students), you
1) are above safety altitude
2) pay attention.

Bert

"Dan G" wrote in message
...
On Nov 29, 10:24 pm, "Sönke Gutzlaff" wrote:
I've learned that 100km/h is fast enough, our instructors even say 90km/h
ist the perfect speed for the 21 to gain maximun high.
I had lot of cable breaks this year and no problems with the speed. You've
only to react fast enough. And the 21 is a very friendly flying plane
(with
our other planes, especially the ASW19 I prefer higher speeds on winch
launch) and you normaly are not pulling the stick full back before you
reach
the safety high.


What do your instructors say about using back-stick in the K21?

I just did my annual winch-launch checks and mine wouldn't let me use
any back-stick at all. A K21 will still launch perfectly well like
that but I *know* that I'm not getting the best out the launch like
that. On the other hand my instructor did play a neat trick on me - he
distracted me by suddening say "look at that plane!" and pulling the
release at the same time. I *did* hesitate in getting the nose down
and even though it was only a small delay by the time I'd finished the
push-over to the recovery attitude there was only 40 knots on the
clock. Took a fair few seconds to get the speed back up before braking
down to a straight-ahead landing.

That was a bit of an eye-opener, to be honest.


Dan


  #3  
Old November 30th 07, 06:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Andreas Maurer
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 345
Default New winch height record

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:54:16 +0100, "Bert Willing"
wrote:

Well, if you have the stick fully back (which I often have, and don't object
to with my students), you
1) are above safety altitude
2) pay attention.


- already have a significant nose-down force by cable tension because
of your height


Bye
Andreas
  #4  
Old November 30th 07, 11:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Smith
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 256
Default New winch height record

Dan G wrote:

What do your instructors say about using back-stick in the K21?


The same as in any other glider: Use as needed to keep your target speed.
  #5  
Old November 30th 07, 03:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan G
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 245
Default New winch height record

On Nov 30, 11:05 am, John Smith wrote:
Dan G wrote:
What do your instructors say about using back-stick in the K21?


The same as in any other glider: Use as needed to keep your target speed.


That's what I think but I put this specifically to the full cat* I was
flying with and he disagreed, saying "you'll risk spinning on the
wire" if you use "any" back stick in the K21, and that you should ride
the speed with the elevator neutral throughout the launch until you
need to wave-off (signal the winch driver to slow down by waggling the
tail).

shrugs .


Dan

*in the UK there are three categories of instructor: "full" is the
highest, the others being "basic" and "half"
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How to get maximum height on a winch launch? Dan G Soaring 38 December 22nd 16 12:29 AM
Winch launch speed versus height gain Neil Soaring 20 November 9th 07 12:57 AM
Record Highs/Record Lows Jay Honeck Piloting 12 October 12th 06 01:27 AM
Perlan height record in Argentina Charles Yeates Soaring 3 September 1st 06 12:59 PM
LIppmann reports a 950 meter winch launch with their Dynatec winch line - anything higher? Bill Daniels Soaring 20 December 27th 04 12:33 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.