Barf bags don't work in zero G's

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450 was
heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole lot of
fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)



Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)

Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.




and demanding enough to
do aerobatics in, but it was no Waco...

Never flew the Wacos. Great airplanes.
The Lakes was even better, but I got only a little time in them.

The Lakes was a real fun machine. Stable and feisty enough (unless you
had flown a Jungmiester that is :-))


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Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450
was heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole
lot of fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)



Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)

Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.


That's right. He wasn't the only one, either.
The steel McCauley had an AD on it which is one reason why you see so many
converted to wood props nowadays.
Aside from that, at the time I flew them anyway, the airframe was
completely AD free. I think thy ehave a couple of age related ones now but
nothing too serious if looked after. I still can't figure out how they came
up with a redline on the thing, We could never get them to go faster than
about 170 standing on the pedals.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the 450
was heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a whole
lot of fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)


Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)
Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.


That's right. He wasn't the only one, either.
The steel McCauley had an AD on it which is one reason why you see so many
converted to wood props nowadays.
Aside from that, at the time I flew them anyway, the airframe was
completely AD free. I think thy ehave a couple of age related ones now but
nothing too serious if looked after. I still can't figure out how they came
up with a redline on the thing, We could never get them to go faster than
about 170 standing on the pedals.


Bertie

Yeah. Real shame about Cole. I don't remember any others but that's
normal. I really wasn't in the Stearman community and didn't hang around
with the guys all that much. I think Cole was using AT6 blades on a Ham
Standard Hub on his setup if I recall, but I'm not sure.
Great planes. Great times. Some tragedies of course.
Do you happen to remember the instructor over at Flying W in New Jersey
who rolled the Stearman into the woods over there? I think his name was
Milo Tycheck or something similar? It happened just before I flew there
for a while as an instructor.



--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the
450 was heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a
whole lot of fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)


Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)
Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.


That's right. He wasn't the only one, either.
The steel McCauley had an AD on it which is one reason why you see so
many converted to wood props nowadays.
Aside from that, at the time I flew them anyway, the airframe was
completely AD free. I think thy ehave a couple of age related ones
now but nothing too serious if looked after. I still can't figure out
how they came up with a redline on the thing, We could never get them
to go faster than about 170 standing on the pedals.


Bertie

Yeah. Real shame about Cole. I don't remember any others but that's
normal. I really wasn't in the Stearman community and didn't hang
around with the guys all that much. I think Cole was using AT6 blades
on a Ham Standard Hub on his setup if I recall, but I'm not sure.
Great planes. Great times. Some tragedies of course.
Do you happen to remember the instructor over at Flying W in New
Jersey who rolled the Stearman into the woods over there? I think his
name was Milo Tycheck or something similar? It happened just before I
flew there for a while as an instructor.


Mira Slovac? He banged up a Jungmeister somewhere, but he lived and gave
it up.

I do vaguely remember some of the old guys talking about someone who
cracked up in Cape May, I think. Ran out of gas during his routine?
That him?


Bertie


I thnk

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
news
I had the same feeling. Better nose vis in the standard and the
450 was heavy as hell in the glide. Great airplanes though and a
whole lot of fun. Flying open is a special experience :-)


Only way to go in my book. Stearman was a great aerobatic trainer.
Virtually unburstable (except the prop, of course)
Yeah. I remember Rolly Cole going in with a prop failure.

That's right. He wasn't the only one, either.
The steel McCauley had an AD on it which is one reason why you see so
many converted to wood props nowadays.
Aside from that, at the time I flew them anyway, the airframe was
completely AD free. I think thy ehave a couple of age related ones
now but nothing too serious if looked after. I still can't figure out
how they came up with a redline on the thing, We could never get them
to go faster than about 170 standing on the pedals.


Bertie
Yeah. Real shame about Cole. I don't remember any others but that's
normal. I really wasn't in the Stearman community and didn't hang
around with the guys all that much. I think Cole was using AT6 blades
on a Ham Standard Hub on his setup if I recall, but I'm not sure.
Great planes. Great times. Some tragedies of course.
Do you happen to remember the instructor over at Flying W in New
Jersey who rolled the Stearman into the woods over there? I think his
name was Milo Tycheck or something similar? It happened just before I
flew there for a while as an instructor.


Mira Slovac? He banged up a Jungmeister somewhere, but he lived and gave
it up.

I do vaguely remember some of the old guys talking about someone who
cracked up in Cape May, I think. Ran out of gas during his routine?
That him?


Bertie


I thnk

No, it wasn't Slovak. I remember him well. This guy was a local; sort of
a "hot rock type" local CFI. He just did one roll too many and too low
and bought it in a Stearman one day over at Flying W.
Happens. I'm pretty sure his name was Tycheck.
Oh well....they say the first thing to go is the old memory :-))

Mira was pushing a Bearcat back in the 64 65 Reno period. He was one of
the original Reno crowd back when things were FUN!!


--
Dudley Henriques

Dale wrote:
In article ,
Aviv Hod wrote:

Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags...k-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv

I just don't see a lot of humor in doing that to another person.

Once had a pax open my side window and try to puke out the window. We
were slowed up at the time, only 120 or so, but his plan didn't work out
very well. His milkshake ended up on the instrument panel, all over his
headset (which he had borrowed from me), and a large portion in the face
of his girlfriend seated in the 3rd row.

You're right, it's not funny to do this to another person on purpose.

I doubt this was done out of malice, though, and the pilot surely
regrets it. I also doubt that s/he knew what was coming, and that's
where I saw humor. Anyways, isn't there some humor in most relatively
harmless juvenile hijinks and general tomfoolery?

One thing I don't doubt is that the pilot has learned something from
this experience. Surely their punishment minimally was to clean up the
mess!

-Aviv

On Nov 28, 11:56 pm, Aviv Hod
wrote:

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv

You must be one sick puppy to see any humor in that

Dudley Henriques wrote:


In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.


Exactly. No one had parachutes and the plane looks like 172...
The pilot is an idiot.

In article ,
kontiki wrote:

Dudley Henriques wrote:


In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.


Exactly. No one had parachutes and the plane looks like 172...
The pilot is an idiot.

What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.

Dale wrote:


What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.

I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
just too conservative.

I still think the pilot is an idiot.