Confusion

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:14:36 -0700, "Jon Woellhaf"
wrote:

About a minute later, when I hadn't yet been told to contact departure, I
asked Tower if they wanted me to contact departure. That's when the
confusion began. The controller said, "I didn't know you wanted to go to
departure, but, yeah, you can contact departure. Good day." "Well, I'm IFR,"
I replied. After a brief pause, Tower said, "Roger. Do me a favor, squawk
1200. I can't give you departure. You didn't tell me you were IFR. I didn't
get you a release."

I said I'd proceed on course VFR and asked if they'd get me a clearance.
They soon got it and handed me off to departure.

In most instances, I would refuse to allow ATC to cancel my IFR clearance,
which is what happened in this instance.

If I've filed IFR, it's either because of weather related issues, or
occasionally because of traffic/route/airspace/TFR issues. In none of
those instances would I want to be re-negotiating an IFR clearance just
after takeoff.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:14:36 -0700, "Jon Woellhaf"
wrote:


About a minute later, when I hadn't yet been told to contact departure, I
asked Tower if they wanted me to contact departure. That's when the
confusion began. The controller said, "I didn't know you wanted to go to
departure, but, yeah, you can contact departure. Good day." "Well, I'm IFR,"
I replied. After a brief pause, Tower said, "Roger. Do me a favor, squawk
1200. I can't give you departure. You didn't tell me you were IFR. I didn't
get you a release."

I said I'd proceed on course VFR and asked if they'd get me a clearance.
They soon got it and handed me off to departure.


In most instances, I would refuse to allow ATC to cancel my IFR clearance,
which is what happened in this instance.

If you were IMC and they started BSing you, just declare an emergency
and advise you are continuing on your clearance unless they have an
amended clearance.