RIP Cessna...Skycatcher

On Nov 28, 4:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote :

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com writes:

In a news release, Cessna CEO Jack Pelton said the company needed
top quality at a competitive price and SAC put it all together.

Translation: Price was the only consideration.

"Our solution is to partner with SAC, a company with excellent
facilities, state-of-the-art technologies and a workforce highly
experienced in aircraft manufacturing.

Translation: We have to give the Chinese what few technological trade
secrets we possess as part of the deal,

What's this "we"?

I thought you were French now.

Bertie

He meant "oui", it just sounds like "we"... :-)

Exactly. If you just: don't pay your employees anything; lie about using,
say, toxic paint; pirate, copy or steal other people's technology and; kill
anybody who speaks out in dissent, you can save a lot of money.

Now let's be fair about this. They also killed the guy who allowed
glycol to find its way into toothpaste. Bigshot Minister one day --
KAPOW -- dead the next.

In the States when an executive f0ks up real bad, they "resign"and
walk off with $150 million. Think of CitiCorp and it's crap loan
program.

Maybe the Chinese haven't got it ALL wrong.

"DT" == Dan Thomas writes:
DT Even an old Aircoupe with a C90 accelerated better
DT than the 150, again with about the same power/ weight ratio.

Hey! That's my Aircoupe yer talkin' about. Correct, the Alon
Aircoupes (not so true of the ERCO 415 Ercoupes, the original and far
more common variant) are much more efficient than the C-150. It's not
the engine as much as the aircraft. On a
good day I can get 100kts TAS from my Aircoupe, but that's with a
cruise prop (52" pitch).

A friend has a 415 model Ercoupe with an O-200. I can still outrun
him but it's not quite a fair comparison, because I think he has a
climb prop. He will outclimb me, but not my a lot. The 415s are
fairly draggy.
--
Mythology is what we call someone else's religion.
~ Joseph Campbell

"Phil" == Phil writes:

Phil Way back in the 80s there was a Word processing program
Phil called Wordperfect. At that time it was the market-leading
Phil word processing software. It was actually inferior to a
Phil number of other programs, but it had really great technical
Phil support and lots of people used it because they needed the
Phil support. The Skycatcher strikes me the same way. It has
Phil some real liabilities compared to other LSAs on the market,
Phil but it will have the Cessna network behind it and a lot of
Phil people will probably buy it for that reason.

Phil Eventually Wordperfect lost out in the market to superior
Phil products. Time will tell if this happens to the Skycatcher.
Phil I think if Cessna had really done their homework they would
Phil have designed a plane that was a little more competitive.

That's a stretch to call MS Word "superior". At any rate, Microsoft
has conclusively demonstrated, over and over, that superior hype and
marketing can more than compensate for an inferior product.

I'm sure Cessna could have made a profit producing their LSA in the
US, but the margin would have been small. Even Van's assembles their
Quick Build kits in the Phillipines. Cessna wanted a fat margin and
they'll get that making their LSA in China. Quality may be better or
worse than a USA built plane; but I'd be quite worried about
variability. Most of the Chinese supply problems in the headlines seem
to be suppliers starting out OK but slipping in illegal or cheap stuff
later.
--
"There's nothing wrong with you that reincarnation won't cure."
-Jack E. Leonard

I wouldn't buy a Cessna Skycatcher if they were $500. Not if they're built
in China. Not if I knew any of the parts came from China. I think Cessna has
made a colossal mistake. But they probably didn't.

Gatt writes:

It was purchased and destroyed.

Actually, the competition improved, but WordPerfect did not.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gatt writes:

It was purchased and destroyed.

Actually, the competition improved, but WordPerfect did not.


You're an idiot.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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It was purchased and destroyed.

Actually, the competition improved, but WordPerfect did not.

You're an idiot.

I was a contractor at Netscape when IE4.0 came out. Basically, it looked
just like somebody stole the internal alpha copy of Netscape Communicator.

(After Internet Exploder's release party in San Francisco, they dropped a
giant blue paper-mache-and-chickenwire "e" on the front lawn of Netscape.
Which would add trespassing and littering to theft, except that by noon the
7' Netscape lizard, "Mozilla" was standing on the yard among the smashed
remains of the Microsoft "e".)

In Netscape's case, the competition didn't "improve." They stole
proprietary code and used massive personnel resources to get it to market
before the smaller company. I wouldn't expect people in Europe to
understand how that sort of thing happened in terms of web browsers, word
processors, spreadsheets and other "Microsoft products" that bear striking
resemblances to former competitors.

-c

wrote in message
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Now let's be fair about this. They also killed the guy who allowed
glycol to find its way into toothpaste. Bigshot Minister one day --
KAPOW -- dead the next.

In the States when an executive f0ks up real bad, they "resign"and
walk off with $150 million. Think of CitiCorp and it's crap loan
program.

Maybe the Chinese haven't got it ALL wrong.

Good point!

-c

"Gatt" wrote in message
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .

It was purchased and destroyed.

Actually, the competition improved, but WordPerfect did not.

You're an idiot.

I was a contractor at Netscape when IE4.0 came out. Basically, it looked
just like somebody stole the internal alpha copy of Netscape Communicator.

(After Internet Exploder's release party in San Francisco, they dropped a
giant blue paper-mache-and-chickenwire "e" on the front lawn of Netscape.
Which would add trespassing and littering to theft, except that by noon
the 7' Netscape lizard, "Mozilla" was standing on the yard among the
smashed remains of the Microsoft "e".)

In Netscape's case, the competition didn't "improve." They stole
proprietary code and used massive personnel resources to get it to market
before the smaller company. I wouldn't expect people in Europe to
understand how that sort of thing happened in terms of web browsers, word
processors, spreadsheets and other "Microsoft products" that bear striking
resemblances to former competitors.

Gatt,

Maybe you could verify something for me: I've heard for some time that,
though MS is quick to prosecute piracy and reverse engineering MS stuff,
they expend copious amounts of money reverse engineering competitors
products.

True or trash?