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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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It was purchased and destroyed.

Actually, the competition improved, but WordPerfect did not.

You're an idiot.

I was a contractor at Netscape when IE4.0 came out. Basically, it looked
just like somebody stole the internal alpha copy of Netscape Communicator.

(After Internet Exploder's release party in San Francisco, they dropped a
giant blue paper-mache-and-chickenwire "e" on the front lawn of Netscape.
Which would add trespassing and littering to theft, except that by noon the
7' Netscape lizard, "Mozilla" was standing on the yard among the smashed
remains of the Microsoft "e".)

In Netscape's case, the competition didn't "improve." They stole
proprietary code and used massive personnel resources to get it to market
before the smaller company. I wouldn't expect people in Europe to
understand how that sort of thing happened in terms of web browsers, word
processors, spreadsheets and other "Microsoft products" that bear striking
resemblances to former competitors.

-c

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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It was purchased and destroyed.

Actually, the competition improved, but WordPerfect did not.

You're an idiot.

I was a contractor at Netscape when IE4.0 came out. Basically, it
looked just like somebody stole the internal alpha copy of Netscape
Communicator.



(After Internet Exploder's release party in San Francisco, they
dropped a giant blue paper-mache-and-chickenwire "e" on the front lawn
of Netscape. Which would add trespassing and littering to theft,
except that by noon the 7' Netscape lizard, "Mozilla" was standing on
the yard among the smashed remains of the Microsoft "e".)

In Netscape's case, the competition didn't "improve." They stole
proprietary code and used massive personnel resources to get it to
market before the smaller company.


Who cares? I use wahtever works best and that's still mozilla for me..

I wouldn't expect people in
Europe to understand how that sort of thing happened in terms of web
browsers, word processors, spreadsheets and other "Microsoft products"
that bear striking resemblances to former competitors.


Yeah, they're still using two tin cans and piecs of string there.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .

In Netscape's case, the competition didn't "improve." They stole
proprietary code and used massive personnel resources to get it to
market before the smaller company.

Who cares? I use wahtever works best and that's still mozilla for me..

That was a dark week. I was there the day they came in and told a bunch of
the engineers that AOL was integrating their software (Instant Messenger),
which was the harbinger. They knew it was a matter of time before AOL
merged with Netscape. It all went downhill from there, which is how there's
Firefox.

'Course, I hear the new Internet Explorer has many of the internal and
external features of Firefox.

I wouldn't expect people in Europe to understand how that sort of thing
happened in terms of web
browsers, word processors, spreadsheets and other "Microsoft products"
that bear striking resemblances to former competitors.

Yeah, they're still using two tin cans and piecs of string there.

Well, more importantly, they don't have exposure to the Silicon Valley or
Seattle scuttlebutt that you find on the West Coast as technology types
shift jobs and interact over time. One time, Netscape and Microsoft shared
an outsourced call center in Oregon under a rule that they couldn't be in
the same room together. Not only were they in the same room, only a cube
wall separated them. I was there as a technical writer. A Netscape
contractor turned on a computer, the circuit-breaker flipped....and Win95
technical support went down.

Stream International lied bigtime to cover that one up, and separated the
teams, but for awhile Netscape tech support could hear Win95 support techs
on the telephone. Some of those guys jumped from one team to the other.

(If that wasn't sleazy enough, they sold a contract to a great
company--Adobe--who required domestic, US-based technical support. So the
calls came into the Oregon office and then auto-forwarded to Nova Scotia or
somewhere. Right now I work with guys who were sent to Canada on a project,
only to learn that they were there to train their replacements. A
non-disclosure agreement prevented them from divulging what was happening to
Adobe.)

-c

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .

In Netscape's case, the competition didn't "improve." They stole
proprietary code and used massive personnel resources to get it to
market before the smaller company.

Who cares? I use wahtever works best and that's still mozilla for
me..

That was a dark week. I was there the day they came in and told a
bunch of the engineers that AOL was integrating their software
(Instant Messenger), which was the harbinger. They knew it was a
matter of time before AOL merged with Netscape. It all went downhill
from there, which is how there's Firefox.

'Course, I hear the new Internet Explorer has many of the internal and
external features of Firefox.

I wouldn't expect people in Europe to understand how that sort of
thing happened in terms of web
browsers, word processors, spreadsheets and other "Microsoft
products" that bear striking resemblances to former competitors.

Yeah, they're still using two tin cans and piecs of string there.

Well, more importantly, they don't have exposure to the Silicon Valley
or Seattle scuttlebutt that you find on the West Coast as technology
types shift jobs and interact over time.


I think you might find that they do.


Bertie

In article ,
"Gatt" wrote:

'Course, I hear the new Internet Explorer has many of the internal and
external features of Firefox.

Do you mean IE 7 looks like firefox?

It doesn't seem like firefox at all.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Gatt" wrote:

'Course, I hear the new Internet Explorer has many of the internal and
external features of Firefox.

Do you mean IE 7 looks like firefox?

It doesn't seem like firefox at all.

--
Bob Noel

....and thank god for that! Firefox 4 life.

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com writes:

...and thank god for that! Firefox 4 life.

Firefox is lacking in security features, but I've been using it for several
years now, after I got tired of ActiveX security issues with MSIE.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com writes:

...and thank god for that! Firefox 4 life.

Firefox is lacking in security features, but I've been using it for
several years now, after I got tired of ActiveX security issues with
MSIE.


Awwwww. On the bright side, you have nothing anyone wants to steal.



Bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com writes:

...and thank god for that! Firefox 4 life.

Firefox is lacking in security features, but I've been using it for
several
years now, after I got tired of ActiveX security issues with MSIE.


I like it because of its shortcomings not in spite of them.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
news:ihatessppaamm-of Firefox.

Do you mean IE 7 looks like firefox?

It doesn't seem like firefox at all.


Well, if you think about it, "Mozilla" (Firefox) is a descendant of
Netscape, which except for Mosaic was the first real web browswer.

All other programs that are web browsers look like the original Consider
the backend coding, bookmarks, navigator buttons and particularly
"cookies.":

"Together with John Giannandrea, Montulli wrote the initial Netscape cookie
specification the same year. Version 0.9beta of Mosaic Netscape, released on
October 13, 1994[23][24], supported cookies. The first actual use of cookies
(out of the labs) was made for checking whether visitors to the Netscape Web
site had already visited the site. Montulli applied for a patent for the
cookie technology in 1995; it was granted in 1998. Support for cookies was
integrated in Internet Explorer in version 2, released in October 1995
[one year after Netscape's amazing new app, IE already had an
amazingly-similar technology, but they didn't develop the cookie
technology.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie#History

In terms of how that relates to Mozilla, Mozilla was not only the name of
Netscape's official mascot, it was the name of the original Netscape
sourcecode. AOL bought Netscape and destroyed the mascot and Netscape. AOL
still sucks, IE still rips off other web browsers (Firefox's tab bar, for
example) and ol' Mozilla still leads the industry.

-c