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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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For a few. The rest--the people who made Cessna what it was by
Actually Making the Cessnas--will have a hard time enjoying Cessna's
"profits."

So don't buy one.

Easy, see?

In what way is Americans not buying things good for the US economy? It would
be better all around if I bought a Cessna that was built in Wichita instead
of not buying one that was made in China.

Meanwhile, they're reporting record profits for domestic production...not
during production in China, but during the last two years. With a crisis
like that it's no wonder they're moving to a communist state with shoddy
quality control, unethical business practices, massive human rights
violations and near-slave labor.

Once those folks in Kansas are laid off, none of them will be buying Cessnas
either. Not exactly Mr. Ford's business model. And you know the Chinese
workers going to buy them either. 'Course, the French might, what with the
value of the Euro over the dollar. It'll be interesting to hear from them
about how the Skycatcher handles, because I'll probably never fly one.

-c

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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For a few. The rest--the people who made Cessna what it was by
Actually Making the Cessnas--will have a hard time enjoying Cessna's
"profits."

So don't buy one.

Easy, see?

In what way is Americans not buying things good for the US economy?



It
would be better all around if I bought a Cessna that was built in
Wichita instead of not buying one that was made in China.


Good grief.


So, you want a law to make them build it in the US, is that it?



Meanwhile, they're reporting record profits for domestic
production...not during production in China, but during the last two
years. With a crisis like that it's no wonder they're moving to a
communist state with shoddy quality control, unethical business
practices, massive human rights violations and near-slave labor.


Like the US meat packing industry, ya mean?


Once those folks in Kansas are laid off, none of them will be buying
Cessnas either. Not exactly Mr. Ford's business model. And you know
the Chinese workers going to buy them either. 'Course, the French
might, what with the value of the Euro over the dollar. It'll be
interesting to hear from them about how the Skycatcher handles,
because I'll probably never fly one.



There ya go. Don't buy one. You got there in the end.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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So, you want a law to make them build it in the US, is that it?

Who said anything about a law? I said no more about making a new law than
I said about making an Eleventh Commandment. Which is to say, nothing.

There ya go. Don't buy one. You got there in the end.

People not buying products is great for business.

Meanwhile, quite a few people here in Portland lost their job because
Freightliner just moved their shop to Mexico. Now even those aren't made
here anymore. If we simply sell out our entire industrial capacity we can
be agrarian and incapable of our own industry, just like the Confederate
south. And, just like the ol' South, there will be a handful of very rich
people and a whole lot of peasants.

But who said anything about making a law?


-c

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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So, you want a law to make them build it in the US, is that it?

Who said anything about a law?


I did, UIt's in the sentence just above.

I said no more about making a new law
than I said about making an Eleventh Commandment. Which is to say,
nothing.

Didn;t say you did.


There ya go. Don't buy one. You got there in the end.

People not buying products is great for business.

Meanwhile, quite a few people here in Portland lost their job because
Freightliner just moved their shop to Mexico. Now even those aren't
made here anymore. If we simply sell out our entire industrial
capacity we can be agrarian and incapable of our own industry, just
like the Confederate south. And, just like the ol' South, there will
be a handful of very rich people and a whole lot of peasants.

But who said anything about making a law?

Well, make up your mind. If you blieve that this sort of trade is bad
for the economy, either you regulate the import of foreign manufactured
goods or you stop buying them.

Either way, whining about it is pointless.


Bertie

"Gatt" wrote in message
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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So, you want a law to make them build it in the US, is that it?

Who said anything about a law? I said no more about making a new law
than I said about making an Eleventh Commandment. Which is to say,
nothing.

There ya go. Don't buy one. You got there in the end.

People not buying products is great for business.

It sure teaches them a lesson.

Meanwhile, quite a few people here in Portland lost their job because
Freightliner just moved their shop to Mexico.

SO, a highly competitive industry had ot go somewhere that high school
dropout didn't get, what, $35 (a guess) an hour?

Now even those aren't made here anymore. If we simply sell out our entire
industrial capacity we can be agrarian and incapable of our own industry,
just like the Confederate south. And, just like the ol' South, there
will be a handful of very rich people and a whole lot of peasants.

But who said anything about making a law?

Envy is so unbecoming.

"Gatt" wrote in message
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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For a few. The rest--the people who made Cessna what it was by
Actually Making the Cessnas--will have a hard time enjoying Cessna's
"profits."

So don't buy one.

Easy, see?

In what way is Americans not buying things good for the US economy? It
would be better all around if I bought a Cessna that was built in Wichita
instead of not buying one that was made in China.

Except if it was built in Wichita, it would cost $200K and wouldn't sell at
that price. Those workers would then have to be laid off.

One might say American workers have priced themselves out of the market.

BTW, how much of the actual work will go on offshore? Is everything made
there, even the avionics?

HINT!!

Matt W. Barrow wrote:

Except if it was built in Wichita, it would cost $200K and wouldn't
sell at that price. Those workers would then have to be laid off.

One might say American workers have priced themselves out of the
market.

One might say that. One might also say that Cessna failed to design an
aircraft that could be built in the US for $100k. Others have done it.

If the name Skycatcher didn't have the name Cessna in front of it it would
be considered an over-weight, late comer to the market. And would probably
never see the sky. Now we find out that it isn't, in fact, a Cessna because
Cessna is outsoucing it.

I was never going to buy a Skycatcher. I liked it because it brought a
certain ligitimacy to the LSA market that I hoped would bring some of the
oldline FBOs and instructors around to what I think is the last chance for
recreational flying.

Now those same old guys are going to be able to say, "That's not really a
Cessna. It's built in China."

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Matt W. Barrow wrote:

Except if it was built in Wichita, it would cost $200K and wouldn't
sell at that price. Those workers would then have to be laid off.

One might say American workers have priced themselves out of the
market.

One might say that. One might also say that Cessna failed to design an
aircraft that could be built in the US for $100k. Others have done it.

Others don't have Cessna's overhead or tax structures. Niether do they have
the capacity/scale.

I suspect their workforces are "different", as well.


If the name Skycatcher didn't have the name Cessna in front of it it would
be considered an over-weight, late comer to the market. And would probably
never see the sky.

It would for the same reasons Honda and Toyota and Datsun had a bit of a
hard time breaking into the US auto market.


Now we find out that it isn't, in fact, a Cessna because Cessna is
outsoucing it.

I was never going to buy a Skycatcher. I liked it because it brought a
certain ligitimacy to the LSA market that I hoped would bring some of the
oldline FBOs and instructors around to what I think is the last chance for
recreational flying.

Now those same old guys are going to be able to say, "That's not really a
Cessna. It's built in China."

And rightfully so. If Cessna decided to shift Columbia production to China
I'd never buy another one.

I was going to buy a couple Dell computers to replace a couple here that are
getting long in the tooth, but decided on another brand made in the US. I'll
buy from Taiwan, Mexico, even Indonesia...but not from China unless it's
bandages and I'm bleeding to death.

One might say American workers have priced themselves out of the
market.

One might say that. One might also say that Cessna failed to design an
aircraft that could be built in the US for $100k. Others have done it.

You'd think one of/if not the largest single-engine producer in the world
would be able to do such a thing.

On the other hand, I'm sure the executives in the telecom industry and at
Citibank knew what they were doing, too.

-c

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in message
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One might say American workers have priced themselves out of the market.

BTW, how much of the actual work will go on offshore? Is everything made
there, even the avionics?

HINT!!

We'll have to agree to disagree, Matt. Ford knew that the way to succeed
was to make ownership of his product achievable even by his employees.
Cessna's solution is to offload domestic employees completely. If they're
like the old Gibson employees, they'll get together and start making a
better product. (See "Heritage Guitars.")

At least if the SkyCatcher starts falling apart in midair because of poor
quality control, Cessna can blame China.

I suspect as much of the actual work will go on offshore as they can get
away with. And if it fails, they'll award themselves multi-million-dollar
severance bonuses a la Carly the Destroyer at HP, and say "Well, ya takes
your chances" and leave the wreckage of the Cessna company to be picked up
by Daimler or the Saudis or something.

-c