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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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No employee at Cessna lost their job because they're building the 162
in China. Cessna is hiring.

Though I didn't make the original statment I'll rephrase form him.

...American's that won't get jobs that the communists will so that handful
of investors could make more money.

Thank you. Right on the numbers.

-c

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in message
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When it comes to the ability of America, its economy and its people, we
all have $$$ at risk.

No one has $$$ at risk except investors.

How's that housing market going these days?

Those management/MBA types know everything about the economy, I'm sure.
Say, how's Citibank doing these days?

But first they should tell it to the Americans who just lost their jobs
to the communists so that handful of investors could make more money.

Which workers lost their jobs?

The ones that could have been building Cessna 162s at a domestic Cessna
factory had a handful of investors who are already making record profits
could further sell America out to communist, rival superpower who keeps
trying to steal our nuclear and military secrets, and intellectual property.

Hope that clears it up a little. You can buy a $100 "Gibsum" Les Paul out
of China. An absolutely forgery of an American instrument. You can buy
bootleg movies there before the movies are released in theaters. That's
because the government doesn't do jack squat about it. They have no ethics,
but we're giving away our national industrial, technological and economical
capacity so that a few people can make even more record profits.

Of course, don't be surprised if, in a few years, the world is flooded with
ultra-cheap Cezzna AirCatchers and Cessna can't find international 162
buyers anymore.

-c

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Gatt wrote:

Wal-Mart's domestic factories were going flat out when they bragged to
everybody about how American they were.


One thing here. Wal-Mart isn't a manufacture.

True, but they're an umbrella for them. Check this out, direct from
http://www.walmart-china.com

"Wal-Mart firmly believes in local procurement."
http://wal-martchina.com/english/walmart/index.htm Done laughing yet?

ButWaitThere'sMo

"We recognize that by purchasing quality products, we can generate more job
opportunities, support local manufacturing and boost economic development.
Over 95% of the merchandise in our stores in China is sourced locally." [I
love irony...]

"We have established partnerships with nearly 20,000 suppliers in China. At
Wal-Mart, we always work with our suppliers to grow together...
Additionally, Wal-Mart directly exports about US$9 billion from China every
year. The export volume by third party suppliers is also estimated to be
over US$9 billion."

"Wal-Mart will continue to grow in China and contribute to the local economy
in the following areas:
a.. Increase procurement and support the export of Chinese products to
international markets
b.. Increase investment in China, especially in the western provinces, in
response to the governmental policy of "Developing the West"
c.. Create more employment opportunities and generate more tax revenues to
benefit the local economy
d.. Work closely with consumer goods manufacturers, sharing information
and resources, in order to help improve their production, technology and
management skills"

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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So, you want a law to make them build it in the US, is that it?

Who said anything about a law? I said no more about making a new law than
I said about making an Eleventh Commandment. Which is to say, nothing.

There ya go. Don't buy one. You got there in the end.

People not buying products is great for business.

Meanwhile, quite a few people here in Portland lost their job because
Freightliner just moved their shop to Mexico. Now even those aren't made
here anymore. If we simply sell out our entire industrial capacity we can
be agrarian and incapable of our own industry, just like the Confederate
south. And, just like the ol' South, there will be a handful of very rich
people and a whole lot of peasants.

But who said anything about making a law?


-c

One might say American workers have priced themselves out of the
market.

One might say that. One might also say that Cessna failed to design an
aircraft that could be built in the US for $100k. Others have done it.

You'd think one of/if not the largest single-engine producer in the world
would be able to do such a thing.

On the other hand, I'm sure the executives in the telecom industry and at
Citibank knew what they were doing, too.

-c

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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So, you want a law to make them build it in the US, is that it?

Who said anything about a law?


I did, UIt's in the sentence just above.

I said no more about making a new law
than I said about making an Eleventh Commandment. Which is to say,
nothing.

Didn;t say you did.


There ya go. Don't buy one. You got there in the end.

People not buying products is great for business.

Meanwhile, quite a few people here in Portland lost their job because
Freightliner just moved their shop to Mexico. Now even those aren't
made here anymore. If we simply sell out our entire industrial
capacity we can be agrarian and incapable of our own industry, just
like the Confederate south. And, just like the ol' South, there will
be a handful of very rich people and a whole lot of peasants.

But who said anything about making a law?

Well, make up your mind. If you blieve that this sort of trade is bad
for the economy, either you regulate the import of foreign manufactured
goods or you stop buying them.

Either way, whining about it is pointless.


Bertie

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in message
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One might say American workers have priced themselves out of the market.

BTW, how much of the actual work will go on offshore? Is everything made
there, even the avionics?

HINT!!

We'll have to agree to disagree, Matt. Ford knew that the way to succeed
was to make ownership of his product achievable even by his employees.
Cessna's solution is to offload domestic employees completely. If they're
like the old Gibson employees, they'll get together and start making a
better product. (See "Heritage Guitars.")

At least if the SkyCatcher starts falling apart in midair because of poor
quality control, Cessna can blame China.

I suspect as much of the actual work will go on offshore as they can get
away with. And if it fails, they'll award themselves multi-million-dollar
severance bonuses a la Carly the Destroyer at HP, and say "Well, ya takes
your chances" and leave the wreckage of the Cessna company to be picked up
by Daimler or the Saudis or something.

-c

"Gatt" wrote

Of course, don't be surprised if, in a few years, the world is flooded
with ultra-cheap Cezzna AirCatchers and Cessna can't find international
162 buyers anymore.

That absolutely will happen. History repeats itself, again and again, as
far as China making cheap knock-offs.

The question is how long it will take, for this to happen. Any wagers?
--
Jim in NC

Gatt wrote:


We'll have to agree to disagree, Matt. Ford knew that the way to succeed
was to make ownership of his product achievable even by his employees.
Cessna's solution is to offload domestic employees completely.


A typical Cessna single has never been affordable by a Cessna employee.

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Wal-Mart firmly believes in local procurement."
http://wal-martchina.com/english/walmart/index.htm Done
laughing yet?

Reminds me of the JibJab Piece:

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/big_box_mart


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