An Unexpected Finding Among Commercial Pilots

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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nobody writes:

I disagree. I know hundreds of pilots, but not a single
one who will fly
after drinking.

How many of them have been cited for driving while
intoxicated?

I know plenty if people who will drive after drinking. I
mistrust your sample.

How many pilots do you know who will drive after drinking
but won't fly?

Quite a few.

In general, if a drinker manages to rationalize driving
under the influence,
it's not really any different to rationalize flying under
the influence.

Wrong. Loss of judgment due to addiction is incremental,
not a binary state.

Even airline pilots are caught at this.

Almost always only after they have reached an advanced stage
in their addiction.

John Mazor writes:

Almost always only after they have reached an advanced stage
in their addiction.

Drinking and driving alone doesn't count as an advanced stage of addiction?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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John Mazor writes:

Almost always only after they have reached an advanced stage
in their addiction.

Drinking and driving alone doesn't count as an advanced stage of
addiction?


Nope.


Bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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John Mazor writes:

Almost always only after they have reached an advanced stage
in their addiction.

Drinking and driving alone doesn't count as an advanced stage of
addiction?

No.

nobody writes:

No.

If drinking and driving isn't addiction, what is? Risking your life just to
take a recreational drug sounds like quite an obsession to me.

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

nobody writes:

No.

If drinking and driving isn't addiction, what is? Risking your life
just to take a recreational drug sounds like quite an obsession to me.

It's clear that you don't understand addiction at all. There is ample
information available on the web that you should be able to enlighten
yourself about addiction without too much difficulty.

There are *many* reasons why flying after even a single drink is not
equivalent to driving under the same conditions. I know of no one of the
hundreds of members in our flying club who will fly after a drink.

There is also a reason why no DUI laws begin at 0.001%. Apparently, you
don't understand any of those reasons, either.

Neil

Mx's "virtue" may be driven by his circumstances -- middle aged, poor,
unable to afford wine, and often not even a Big Mac.

But, there is one virtue we can cheer: he doesn't socialize. There may
be no one in Paris worthy of his company: he seeks recognition and
peership here. The plea for recognition is most likely the only reason
for his many posts: he is NOT a reliable source of information.

Which of course raises an interesting point. His website offers his
services as a tour guide. Potential customers, doing due diligence, if
they google him, will learn something of the personality he presents
here compared to the one he uses when he offers his services there.

They will have to decide if they want this arrogant obese shorts and
hiking boot wearing person serving as their guide. .

He's really augering in, isn't he?



On Dec 2, 11:53 am, "Neil Gould" wrote:
Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

nobody writes:

No.

If drinking and driving isn't addiction, what is? Risking your life
just to take a recreational drug sounds like quite an obsession to me.

It's clear that you don't understand addiction at all. There is ample
information available on the web that you should be able to enlighten
yourself about addiction without too much difficulty.

There are *many* reasons why flying after even a single drink is not
equivalent to driving under the same conditions. I know of no one of the
hundreds of members in our flying club who will fly after a drink.

There is also a reason why no DUI laws begin at 0.001%. Apparently, you
don't understand any of those reasons, either.

Neil

"Tina" wrote

Which of course raises an interesting point. His website offers his
services as a tour guide. Potential customers, doing due diligence, if
they google him, will learn something of the personality he presents
here compared to the one he uses when he offers his services there.

They will have to decide if they want this arrogant obese shorts and
hiking boot wearing person serving as their guide. .

He's really augering in, isn't he?

This brings up an important fact that he does not realize.

The first rule for getting yourself out of a hole, is to stop digging.
--
Jim in NC

Neil Gould writes:

It's clear that you don't understand addiction at all. There is ample
information available on the web that you should be able to enlighten
yourself about addiction without too much difficulty.

There's also plenty of information on the Web indicating why it's stupid to
take drugs and operate vehicles at the same time.

There are *many* reasons why flying after even a single drink is not
equivalent to driving under the same conditions. I know of no one of the
hundreds of members in our flying club who will fly after a drink.

And they are willing to drive after drinking?

There is also a reason why no DUI laws begin at 0.001%.

Some do. They are called zero-tolerance laws, and are based on the premise
that no impairment is small enough to be acceptable impairment.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Neil Gould writes:

It's clear that you don't understand addiction at all. There is ample
information available on the web that you should be able to enlighten
yourself about addiction without too much difficulty.

There's also plenty of information on the Web indicating why it's stupid to
take drugs and operate vehicles at the same time.

There are *many* reasons why flying after even a single drink is not
equivalent to driving under the same conditions. I know of no one of the
hundreds of members in our flying club who will fly after a drink.

And they are willing to drive after drinking?

There is also a reason why no DUI laws begin at 0.001%.

Some do. They are called zero-tolerance laws, and are based on the premise
that no impairment is small enough to be acceptable impairment.

Then they must get a lot of cases that go to court because that's bad science. You
can get a non-zero reading without consuming alcohol, even with lab-grade equipment.
That's why the FAA allows up to a .02% BAC reading before flying. (Balloon tests,
often used in driving enforcement, are inherently less accurate than lab
breathalyzers or a blood sample, which is why they aren't used in enforcing the
FARs.)