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On Dec 2, 6:57 am, Jay Honeck wrote:

Hear, hear! Well put.

That said, there *is* a slant to the way things are taught in schools
that I find disturbing. To grossly over-simplify, this slant amounts
to an over-egalitarian "Everyone is equal, no one is better than
anyone else, everyone plays no matter how inept, business is evil but
the gummint will take care of you from cradle-to-grave" attitude that
sounds great on paper but produces kids without a work ethic or moral
compass.

This "Everyone is equal" teaching really gets in the way of your
supremist slant.

Luckily, this can be easily "over-written" with proper parenting
skills.

Jay, you Uber Parent you! Tell us more about how bitchen you are.

Too many parents aren't aware
of (or don't care about) this subtle undercurrent in the schools that,
over time, has produced a society of lazy, sue-happy "it's not my
fault!" people.

Here is that "Everyone education is flawed" thing again. This comes
uip in many of your posts. Can you not accept that others might have
opinions other than your own?
FB
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck:
That said, there *is* a slant to the way things are taught in schools
that I find disturbing. To grossly over-simplify, this slant amounts
to an over-egalitarian "Everyone is equal, no one is better than
anyone else, everyone plays no matter how inept, business is evil but
the gummint will take care of you from cradle-to-grave" attitude that
sounds great on paper but produces kids without a work ethic or moral
compass.

"F. Baum" wrote:
This "Everyone is equal" teaching really gets in the way of your
supremist slant.

Luckily, this can be easily "over-written" with proper parenting
skills.

Jay, you Uber Parent you! Tell us more about how bitchen you are.

Too many parents aren't aware
of (or don't care about) this subtle undercurrent in the schools that,
over time, has produced a society of lazy, sue-happy "it's not my
fault!" people.

Here is that "Everyone education is flawed" thing again. This comes
uip in many of your posts. Can you not accept that others might have
opinions other than your own?

It's easy for parents with kids that have given them little trouble to
talk about other parents who "aren't aware of or don't care about" this
or that or about what schools lack.

Some of us knocked ourselves out every bit as much as you did, Jay, to
produce good, honest, decent, productive offspring -- kids with good
value systems and some awareness of how to set "priorities". There for
them as much as you have been, filling in all the holes that ANY
educational system has ... still to have kids with skewed attitudes. It
happens.

I applaud you if your parental time and effort paid off exactly the way
you planned it. But not everyone in the generation of "lazy, sue-happy
'it's not my fault' people" are the result of parents who "aren't aware
or don't care" or who didn't teach their kids about work ethics or give
them a moral compass. Some people of that mindset had parents who were
just as aware, cared just as much, and worked just as hard to teach,
educate, and guide their kids. They simply don't *all* take the path
(even in their thinking) we would choose for them.

I applaud you if your parental time and effort paid off exactly the way
you planned it. But not everyone in the generation of "lazy, sue-happy
'it's not my fault' people" are the result of parents who "aren't aware
or don't care" or who didn't teach their kids about work ethics or give
them a moral compass. Some people of that mindset had parents who were
just as aware, cared just as much, and worked just as hard to teach,
educate, and guide their kids. They simply don't *all* take the path
(even in their thinking) we would choose for them.

Absolutely true -- and I didn't imply otherwise. I've seen kids with
the best upbringing turn to crap, and I've seen kids with the worst
upbringing turn to gold. There are no guarantees with children, and
the "jury is still out" on mine.

I've always said that my son will either grow up to become a brilliant
criminal mastermind, or a great philanthropist -- there's no way of
knowing at this point!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Shirl wrote:

Some of us knocked ourselves out every bit as much as you did, Jay, to
produce good, honest, decent, productive offspring -- kids with good
value systems and some awareness of how to set "priorities". There for
them as much as you have been, filling in all the holes that ANY
educational system has ... still to have kids with skewed attitudes. It
happens.


Well then there must have been other influences in their lives
that worked against all your hard efforts. It is certainly
worth considering that since government schools control a good
portion of their young lives that they might bear some blame.

This "Everyone is equal" teaching really gets in the way of your
supremist slant.

Sorry, it's the "everyone is equal" slant that has caused so much
uproar in America's schools, with the "No Child Left Behind" (NCLB)
initiative. This is the approach that treats all children equal,
without regard to ability or aptitude, and penalizes schools that do
not achieve test averages without regard to these abilities or
aptitude.

Given the wide disparity between children and their abilities, this
egalitarian treatment has caused a great deal of controversy. On the
one hand, I appreciate the fact that -- for the first time in MY
lifetime -- teachers are being held to a real standard. On the other
hand, punishing a school when special-needs kids don't pass the
standardized test seems ludicrous.

Of course, the inevitable bureacratic response to this standardized
test will be a "dumbing down" of the requirements. THAT is the
problem I see with NCLB, and has nothing to do with any kind of
"supremist slant".

Luckily, this can be easily "over-written" with proper parenting
skills.

Jay, you Uber Parent you! Tell us more about how bitchen you are.

As usual, your attitude is getting in the way of conversation. I
suggest less coffee.

Too many parents aren't aware
of (or don't care about) this subtle undercurrent in the schools that,
over time, has produced a society of lazy, sue-happy "it's not my
fault!" people.

Here is that "Everyone education is flawed" thing again. This comes
uip in many of your posts. Can you not accept that others might have
opinions other than your own?

Of course. It's called "conversation" -- you might try it sometime.
It's fun!

Universal education is the glue that holds society together, and more
is always better -- for everyone. However, schools that treat all
kids exactly the same, regardless of ability or aptitude, is a recipe
for disaster.

Both Kontiki's point about inbred schools creating a less-than-optimal
society and Jim's point about not blaming the schools for everything
are entirely valid, even though they seem to conflict in many ways.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Ah, I see Number One Son was signed into google on this computer.
Sorry about the confusion -- the opinions expressed here were mine,
not his!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
...
I am sick to death of everyone placing the blame for everything on
"government schools." It is very possible to get a good education at
government schools, if you want to learn.

If you want to learn what?

The blame for most of the
problems with government schools is the lack of motivation of the
students,
and is a failure of the parents of kids who are not motivated to learn.

Even where such motivation exists, the methods ot modern "teaching" is an
utter failure. Recall, too, that the schools have been telling parents for
decades to "Shut up...we're the experts". Those lacadasical parents are
products of earlier generations of public schools and their teaching of
irresponsibility. IOW, the chickens have come home to roost.


Hear, hear! Well put.

Not really. Just more typical excuse making that is become a cottage
industry in the US.


That said, there *is* a slant to the way things are taught in schools
that I find disturbing. To grossly over-simplify, this slant amounts
to an over-egalitarian "Everyone is equal, no one is better than
anyone else, everyone plays no matter how inept, business is evil but
the gummint will take care of you from cradle-to-grave" attitude that
sounds great on paper but produces kids without a work ethic or moral
compass.

Luckily, this can be easily "over-written" with proper parenting
skills. My kids are receiving an excellent public school education,
and are now at the age where they no longer need to be "de-programmed"
at the end of the school day. They can -- and often do -- sniff out
the slant on their own.

If they have to stift it out, they're not getting an excellent public school
education. The entire purpose of public schools is NOT education, and hasn't
been since the days of Thomas Mann in the 1840's.


I think Kontiki was referring to this slant more than anything
specific about the educational process. Too many parents aren't aware
of (or don't care about) this subtle undercurrent in the schools that,
over time, has produced a society of lazy, sue-happy "it's not my
fault!" people.

Look up the word "epistemology", then evaluate how the schools practice it.

Then grab your butt.

(I'll not wait for more of Morgan's adolesant alibis.)

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I am sick to death of everyone placing the blame for everything on
"government schools." It is very possible to get a good education
at government schools, if you want to learn.

If you want to learn what?

The blame for most of the
problems with government schools is the lack of motivation of the
students,
and is a failure of the parents of kids who are not motivated to
learn.

Even where such motivation exists, the methods ot modern "teaching" is
an utter failure. Recall, too, that the schools have been telling
parents for decades to "Shut up...we're the experts". Those
lacadasical parents are products of earlier generations of public
schools and their teaching of irresponsibility. IOW, the chickens have
come home to roost.


Hear, hear! Well put.

Not really. Just more typical excuse making that is become a cottage
industry in the US.


That said, there *is* a slant to the way things are taught in schools
that I find disturbing. To grossly over-simplify, this slant amounts
to an over-egalitarian "Everyone is equal, no one is better than
anyone else, everyone plays no matter how inept, business is evil but
the gummint will take care of you from cradle-to-grave" attitude that
sounds great on paper but produces kids without a work ethic or moral
compass.

Luckily, this can be easily "over-written" with proper parenting
skills. My kids are receiving an excellent public school education,
and are now at the age where they no longer need to be
"de-programmed" at the end of the school day. They can -- and often
do -- sniff out the slant on their own.

If they have to stift it out, they're not getting an excellent public
school education. The entire purpose of public schools is NOT
education, and hasn't been since the days of Thomas Mann in the
1840's.


I think Kontiki was referring to this slant more than anything
specific about the educational process. Too many parents aren't
aware of (or don't care about) this subtle undercurrent in the
schools that, over time, has produced a society of lazy, sue-happy
"it's not my fault!" people.

Look up the word "epistemology", then evaluate how the schools
practice it.

Then grab your butt.


h aren't we a little Zen and the art of obfuscation"?


Bertie

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote

Then grab your butt.

(I'll not wait for more of Morgan's adolesant alibis.)

You should really learn how to post, because most of what your post
attributed to Jay were my words.

You don't have to worry about me responding to you on the subject of
education.

Your views are not worth my consideration, as they are so biased, and
worthless.

You should really consider going back to school at your private school, so
you could learn to spell adolescent, too.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote

Then grab your butt.

(I'll not wait for more of Morgan's adolesant alibis.)

You should really learn how to post, because most of what your post
attributed to Jay were my words.

You don't have to worry about me responding to you on the subject of
education.

Your views are not worth my consideration, as they are so biased, and
worthless.

You should really consider going back to school at your private school, so
you could learn to spell adolescent, too.
--
Jim in NC

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