An Unexpected Finding Among Commercial Pilots

Big John wrote in
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:39:56 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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John Mazor writes:

If it is habitual and not a rare event, then yes, but you
didn't specify that.

Is daily consumption of alcohol habitual?



This from someone who lives in France.

In fact, until fairly recently, French pilots were allowed to have a
glass of wine with theiir dinner inflight..



Fjukkwit.

Bertie
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Bertie

errata

I was liaison aboard the French Aircraft Carrier, Joan D'Arc (sp) and
they had two 20,000 gallon stainless tanks built into ship for wine.
Crew drank 1000 liters of wine each day.

Just glad they were not driving a super tanker.

They figured the wine would last to Australia and there they told me
they would fill the tanks with Aussie beer to go the rest of the way
home to France )

From my experience, the French turn a blind eye to drinking

They did, but that's all gone now. JARS put an end to that.

Someone did an article in Flying or Air progress years ago where they
reckoned that someone could learn to fly drunk and get to reasonable
competence provided they were drunk 24/7.
Why they looked into this I have no idea, but they actually took someone
who could already fly and started him off from scratch again teaching
him while he was pie eyed.
I have met a guy or two that could have saved them the trouble.


Bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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There's also plenty of information on the Web indicating why it's stupid
to
take drugs and operate vehicles at the same time.


Information on the web is unreliable.

John Mazor writes:

If the law will convict anyone on 0.01% BAC then the law is a ass.

Why? Because it inconveniences people who want to take drugs all the time,
even while driving or flying?

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

There's no choice, addicts are not in control. There was a point in
time when they lost control, but that was in the past and they didn't
know it then. A person who can at will stop using the drug is not an
addict by definition.

The first step in overcoming addiction is reasserting control. Addicts who
claim that they have no control over their addictions remain addicts for life
(often a short life).

Big John writes:

From my experience, the French turn a blind eye to drinking.

I recall seeing French pilots drinking just before an airline flight, which I
found shocking. Their addictions are strong. Often in the subway in the
morning I encounter people who already reek of alcohol.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Big John writes:

From my experience, the French turn a blind eye to drinking.

I recall seeing French pilots drinking just before an airline flight,
which I found shocking.


Really?

Where and when fjukiwt?
Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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John Mazor writes:

If the law will convict anyone on 0.01% BAC then the law is a ass.

Why? Because it inconveniences people who want to take drugs all the
time, even while driving or flying?


Whoosh,.

Well, it's pretty obvious why you don't feel the need to take drugs,
anyway..





Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

There's no choice, addicts are not in control. There was a point in
time when they lost control, but that was in the past and they didn't
know it then. A person who can at will stop using the drug is not an
addict by definition.

The first step in overcoming addiction is reasserting control.
Addicts who claim that they have no control over their addictions
remain addicts for life (often a short life).


Oh borhter, now he's a counseler.


Bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Addicts who claim that they have no control over their addictions remain
addicts for life

There is no published report that supports this statement.

nobody wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Addicts who claim that they have no control over their addictions
remain addicts for life

There is no published report that supports this statement.

Not to mention it is exactly opposite the 12 step programs where you MUST
admit that you have no control and turn yourself over to a "Higher Power."