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Its possible that public schools could be eliminated entirely if the
number of people who cannot afford private schools is not large. Low
income families could then be given coupons paid for by taxpayer money
that can be redeemed for education in private schools. All this
assumes that if public schools are eliminated gradually, private
schools will spring up to fill a market need and the total costs are
going to be the same in the long run but with a better quality of
education. Taxes would also need to be adjusted to reflect the fact
that the government is no longer funding public schools.

Aound here private schools run anywhere from $20,000 to $35,000 a year
and the systems that spent the most per pupil spend less than $7,000. If
the taxpayers give coupons for private schools rather than fund the
public schools taxes would have to go up about $20,000 per student. Are
you going to vote for that tax increase?

Margy

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Aound here private schools run anywhere from $20,000 to $35,000 a year
and the systems that spent the most per pupil spend less than $7,000.
If the taxpayers give coupons for private schools rather than fund the
public schools taxes would have to go up about $20,000 per student. Are
you going to vote for that tax increase?

Isn't that just exposing the imposed mediocrity of public vice private
education?

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Aound here private schools run anywhere from $20,000 to $35,000 a year
and the systems that spent the most per pupil spend less than $7,000.
If the taxpayers give coupons for private schools rather than fund the
public schools taxes would have to go up about $20,000 per student. Are
you going to vote for that tax increase?

Isn't that just exposing the imposed mediocrity of public vice private
education?


If you consider most schools run about 30 to 35 hours a week. Wouldn't that
would be about $100, $300 and $500 a semester hour? Better double check my
math, I went to public schools. But a $100 an hour doesn't sound cheap to
me.

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If you consider most schools run about 30 to 35 hours a week.
Wouldn't that would be about $100, $300 and $500 a semester hour?
Better double check my math, I went to public schools. But a $100 an
hour doesn't sound cheap to me.

I guess it's all about priorities. Most of us here spend more than that
$100/hr for our pleasure trips via airplane.

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If you consider most schools run about 30 to 35 hours a week.
Wouldn't that would be about $100, $300 and $500 a semester hour?
Better double check my math, I went to public schools. But a $100 an
hour doesn't sound cheap to me.

I guess it's all about priorities. Most of us here spend more than that
$100/hr for our pleasure trips via airplane.


Well John, my point was that per semester hour the cost was almost
comparable to a state university. But let's look at it your way as well.

If a child goes to school 6 hours day, 5 days a week, 36 weeks a year - they
can put 25 students in a class room and "fly" it for $162 hr.

Depending on how you spin it from there, at 6 hours a day 22 days a month -
the class room would yield a little better than $17,500 a month. Now
granted, you have to maintain the classroom and teacher all year long. But
at $160,000 a year, you should be able to afford a little downtime.

But again, I was publicly educated, so don't hold me to all this.

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Well John, my point was that per semester hour the cost was almost
comparable to a state university. But let's look at it your way as
well.

"My way" is skeptical of public education (despite [because of?] my being a
product of it).

Depending on how you spin it from there, at 6 hours a day 22 days a
month - the class room would yield a little better than $17,500 a
month. Now granted, you have to maintain the classroom and teacher
all year long. But at $160,000 a year, you should be able to afford a
little downtime.

OK. My original point was to highlight the delta between public and private
education expenditure per student. Most folks seem to consider private
education better than public. Perhaps the price reflects that and "you get
what you pay for".

Still, I'm not convinced the current public school system simply needs more
money to do its job. I like the idea of competition among schools. I also
like the idea of those folks using the system paying for the system. I'm not
thrilled with the idea that (in my county, anyway) nearly 70% of my property
taxes go to pay for a school system I no longer use.

Oh well. I guess I should just suck it up and buy the line that better
schools improve my property value, right? (Which of course means I pay more
taxes in a vicious cycle.)

Regardless, the major problem with public education as I see it (from having
just put my son through 12+ years of public schooling) is lack of
involvement by the parents.

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Aound here private schools run anywhere from $20,000 to $35,000 a year
and the systems that spent the most per pupil spend less than $7,000. If
the taxpayers give coupons for private schools rather than fund the
public schools taxes would have to go up about $20,000 per student. Are
you going to vote for that tax increase?

I am not sure that the cost of private schools will remain as high if
all public schools were gradually converted into private schools. We
would also not be paying taxes to support public schools in the new
system. Eventually we would probably end up with the same taxes even
if the average standard of education went up (as we would hope) in the
new system. There would also be more efficiency and less or no money
spent on the beauracracy needed to run public schools. In the end it
may or may not work more reliably than the current system, I just
don't know.

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Aound here private schools run anywhere from $20,000 to $35,000 a
year and the systems that spent the most per pupil spend less than
$7,000. If the taxpayers give coupons for private schools rather
than fund the public schools taxes would have to go up about $20,000
per student. Are you going to vote for that tax increase?

I am not sure that the cost of private schools will remain as high if
all public schools were gradually converted into private schools. We
would also not be paying taxes to support public schools in the new
system. Eventually we would probably end up with the same taxes even
if the average standard of education went up (as we would hope) in the
new system. There would also be more efficiency and less or no money
spent on the beauracracy needed to run public schools. In the end it
may or may not work more reliably than the current system, I just
don't know.

Look at Ohio for a real-world example of where vouchers and
general-poplation private schooling *doesn't*, and is unlikely to work as
you think possible. If you can show one state where general-population
private schools *do* work as you think they might, then there is room for
discussion.

Neil

I don't know the specifics of Ohio but the larger point is what do we
mean by the system works or doesn't work? If we want every child in
the US to be in a school regardless of the quality of education
imparted, it can be achieved through public schools alone. On the
other hand if we want every child to have a very high standard of
education then such a system would be woefully inadequate. A system of
private schools alone would also serve neither objective and you could
say "it doesn't work" but the present system also doesn't work
according to many. A private school system has the benefit of being
more efficient and in the long run would definitely produce much
better schools per dollar spent. Obviously it will not be perfect but
no system will ever be perfect.


Look at Ohio for a real-world example of where vouchers and
general-poplation private schooling *doesn't*, and is unlikely to work as
you think possible. If you can show one state where general-population
private schools *do* work as you think they might, then there is room for
discussion.

Neil

Recently, posted:

[...] A private school system has the benefit of being
more efficient and in the long run would definitely produce much
better schools per dollar spent.

Care to support that assertion with some facts?

The point of my previous comment is that, here in Ohio, the private
schools that have sprung up as a result of adopting the vouchers approach
are neither efficient nor do they provide a quality education. In many
cases, they are worse than the worst public schools. OTOH, we have *many*
private schools that do provide high quality education at significant
cost. We also have many public school systems that provide education
comparable to the best private schools. Not surprisingly, they are in the
wealthier communities. So, as far as I can tell, while you might not get
what you pay for, you certainly won't get what you don't pay for.

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