Cessna sued for skydiving accident.

On 2007-12-03 16:43:07 -0800, "Blueskies" said:

The original post to this thread stated "The airplane is not certified
for flight into known ice, although the plane in
question did have boots."

Well, as Peter Clark has pointed out, I could have been wrong about
whether that particular plane was certified for flight into known ice.
However, even if a third party modified the plane for flight into known
ice, how is it Cessna's fault?



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"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
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Maxwell wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Matt W. Barrow" wrote


Then grab your butt.

(I'll not wait for more of Morgan's adolesant alibis.)

You should really learn how to post, because most of what your post
attributed to Jay were my words.

You don't have to worry about me responding to you on the subject of
education.

Your views are not worth my consideration, as they are so biased, and
worthless.

You should really consider going back to school at your private school,
so you could learn to spell adolescent, too.
--
Jim in NC


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phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought
slpeling was ipmorantt!


Thanks, I needed that. I once had a student (special ed) who could not
read (sound out words) at all. We'd gone through all sorts of methods
with him, but the weird thing was I had him 'read' a story, out loud and
he managed to sound out about 20% of the words, but when a student who was
out of the room came in and I asked him to fill her in on what she had
missed he recited the entire section with 95% word for word accuracy. He
couldn't read, but he was smart.

Gald I cluod hlep, its one of my featviors. I tnhik it hpels eixapln why
porof rneiadg oens on wrok can seem dliufcfict at teims.

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
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Aound here private schools run anywhere from $20,000 to $35,000 a year
and the systems that spent the most per pupil spend less than $7,000.
If the taxpayers give coupons for private schools rather than fund the
public schools taxes would have to go up about $20,000 per student. Are
you going to vote for that tax increase?

Isn't that just exposing the imposed mediocrity of public vice private
education?

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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Pilots have lost their certificates for assuming that a plane that had
boots was certified for known ice.

I imagine that pilots have lost a lot more than that. Seems to me if you
fly under IFR without an
IFR-equipped aircraft, you can't sue the manufacturer for not having
IFR-rated products. Similarly, if I slide my jeep off an icy road, I'll
never win a lawsuit against the manufacturer for not providing snow tires.

'Course, aircraft manufacturers are involved so the plaintiff will probably
win. *cynicism*

-c

"Company H" wrote in
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
news:200712051736018930-

Pilots have lost their certificates for assuming that a plane that had
boots was certified for known ice.

I imagine that pilots have lost a lot more than that. Seems to me if
you fly under IFR without an
IFR-equipped aircraft, you can't sue the manufacturer for not having
IFR-rated products.


Of course you can.. You might not win, but if it doesn't say "unsuitable
for instrument flight" right on the lid, then again..


Bertie

On Dec 6, 4:21 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:

No, I meant the plaintiff's lawyer ... and you knew that.

Yeah, I did.

Although why would the party who was found to have been correct have
to pay the one who was found to have been wrong? Especially since the
plaintiff only wanted $20,000 before trial to just help with her
medical bills, and McD told her to go pound sand?

However, do you think there should be a "loser pays" rule, also? This
is a favorite of the "anti-frivolous litigation" crowd. Of course,
since the plaintiff won, that would mean that McD would have also had
to pay her lawyer's fees; as would Parker Hannifin had to do in its
case.

"John T" wrote in message
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"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
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Aound here private schools run anywhere from $20,000 to $35,000 a year
and the systems that spent the most per pupil spend less than $7,000.
If the taxpayers give coupons for private schools rather than fund the
public schools taxes would have to go up about $20,000 per student. Are
you going to vote for that tax increase?

Isn't that just exposing the imposed mediocrity of public vice private
education?


If you consider most schools run about 30 to 35 hours a week. Wouldn't that
would be about $100, $300 and $500 a semester hour? Better double check my
math, I went to public schools. But a $100 an hour doesn't sound cheap to
me.

"Maxwell" wrote in message
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If you consider most schools run about 30 to 35 hours a week.
Wouldn't that would be about $100, $300 and $500 a semester hour?
Better double check my math, I went to public schools. But a $100 an
hour doesn't sound cheap to me.

I guess it's all about priorities. Most of us here spend more than that
$100/hr for our pleasure trips via airplane.

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"John T" wrote in message
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"Maxwell" wrote in message
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If you consider most schools run about 30 to 35 hours a week.
Wouldn't that would be about $100, $300 and $500 a semester hour?
Better double check my math, I went to public schools. But a $100 an
hour doesn't sound cheap to me.

I guess it's all about priorities. Most of us here spend more than that
$100/hr for our pleasure trips via airplane.


Well John, my point was that per semester hour the cost was almost
comparable to a state university. But let's look at it your way as well.

If a child goes to school 6 hours day, 5 days a week, 36 weeks a year - they
can put 25 students in a class room and "fly" it for $162 hr.

Depending on how you spin it from there, at 6 hours a day 22 days a month -
the class room would yield a little better than $17,500 a month. Now
granted, you have to maintain the classroom and teacher all year long. But
at $160,000 a year, you should be able to afford a little downtime.

But again, I was publicly educated, so don't hold me to all this.

"Maxwell" wrote in message


Well John, my point was that per semester hour the cost was almost
comparable to a state university. But let's look at it your way as
well.

"My way" is skeptical of public education (despite [because of?] my being a
product of it).

Depending on how you spin it from there, at 6 hours a day 22 days a
month - the class room would yield a little better than $17,500 a
month. Now granted, you have to maintain the classroom and teacher
all year long. But at $160,000 a year, you should be able to afford a
little downtime.

OK. My original point was to highlight the delta between public and private
education expenditure per student. Most folks seem to consider private
education better than public. Perhaps the price reflects that and "you get
what you pay for".

Still, I'm not convinced the current public school system simply needs more
money to do its job. I like the idea of competition among schools. I also
like the idea of those folks using the system paying for the system. I'm not
thrilled with the idea that (in my county, anyway) nearly 70% of my property
taxes go to pay for a school system I no longer use.

Oh well. I guess I should just suck it up and buy the line that better
schools improve my property value, right? (Which of course means I pay more
taxes in a vicious cycle.)

Regardless, the major problem with public education as I see it (from having
just put my son through 12+ years of public schooling) is lack of
involvement by the parents.

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