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I broached a subject on the http://soaringcanada.riq.ca/ The Round
Table but not with a direct question about A of A but more general, to see what the response was. I tought it was interesting and revealing. I ask "A question on minimizing stall accidents". I wanted to get a sense of how this critical phase was being taught, in light of an accident that happened just prior. If you want to see the answer you my want to read some of the comments. Udo On Dec 11, 9:27 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote: The threads on this subject has uncovered something that gives me chills. Internationaly, gliding has an abominable safety record. Many fatal accidents have as their root cause, failure by the pilot to maintain flying speed or, stated more directly, control his angle of attack. Clearly, based on these r.a.s threads on the subject, some do not understand AOA in some fundamental way and that's chilling. Controlling airspeed is simply not good enough - it's too abstract, too easy to triviallize, too easy to misunderstand the significance of it. Safety committees and organizations need to take this to hart. Here is a root cause of our most dangerous accidents. The awareness of and understanding of AOA has somehow slipped through the cracks. Slay this dragon, and our accident numbers will look far better. If the concept and practice of controlling angle of attack is not absolutely ingrained in a pilot, the probability of an accident is non-trivial - in fact, sooner or later, it's a near certainty. Awareness of AOA should never be far from a pilots consiousness. Controlling angle of attack is so fundamental to being a pilot that it's staggering to think that it's possible to become one without it being hammered into them until it's as instinctive as walking. Flying an aircraft without this level of understanding is like being the captain of a ship without understanding what makes it float. As pilots, we do not fly the cockpit, the fuselage or the empenage - we fly the wing. The wing is really the only thing that does fly, the rest is just baggage. Read Jim Webb's truly excellent book "Fly the wing".http://www.amazon.com/Fly-Wing-James-Webb/dp/0813805414 Or equally good, Wolfgang Langewiesche's "Stick and Rudder". You can read it free on line at Google Books. Read these books - please! There is simply no subject in aviation that is more fundamental or important to your survival. Bill Daniels |
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Udo wrote:
I broached a subject on the http://soaringcanada.riq.ca/ The Round Table but not with a direct question about A of A but more general, to see what the response was. I tought it was interesting and revealing. I ask "A question on minimizing stall accidents". I wanted to get a sense of how this critical phase was being taught, in light of an accident that happened just prior. If you want to see the answer you my want to read some of the comments. Udo On Dec 11, 9:27 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote: The threads on this subject has uncovered something that gives me chills. Internationaly, gliding has an abominable safety record. Many fatal accidents have as their root cause, failure by the pilot to maintain flying speed or, stated more directly, control his angle of attack. Clearly, based on these r.a.s threads on the subject, some do not understand AOA in some fundamental way and that's chilling. When I went to collich in the U.S. (1967-1972), even though aeronautical engineering (what I *really* wanted to major in) had morphed into aerospace engineering (crummy commies), one forlorn airplane-based course curricularly remained. Nonetheless, in that one (mostly a nearly incomprehensible stability and control) aircraft-dominant course, it became apparent to me that wings cared first about AoA, and only secondarily about velocity of oncoming air. This was long before I'd sat in a lightplane, seen a glider, or heard of (the very excellent) "Stick and Rudder." Soon after graduating, I bumbled into soaring, and the illness permanently altered my life. Regrettably, I can no longer remember if or how my instructor taught 'low speed flight' aspects. Can't remember if he mentioned AoA, or if he merely said 'maintain flying speed.' Doesn't matter, because the aforementioned course colored whatever my instructor also conveyed. In glider terms, if we assume compressibility isn't an issue (and it isn't, for glider airspeeds), the wing cares Zero what speed your ASI displays. Physically, it cares only about AoA of the oncoming air. Of course, both are (through the stick) inter-related, but one (easier to reliably measure) falls out in the wash, while the other (AoA), physically determines what the wing is going to do next. Now, (glider)pilot training reality demonstrably proves conceptual grasp of the importance of AoA to the wing's immediate future actions (and arguably, pilots' near-term lives) isn't required in order to obtain one's pilot's license. Whether or not that's a good thing leads to this thread's sort of 'religious arguments.' Fact is, cats can be skinned multiple ways... Personally, my brain is most comfortable understanding underlying physical principles, even if it must (in part) rely on indirect measurements (e.g. ASI, noise, 'feel,' etc.). I believe if a person really and truly grasps the underlying physical principles governing the consequences of his or her actions, s/he's more likely to do the physically correct thing in moments of crisis, than not. Further, s/he's less likely to (N.B. Key Word follows!) *inadvertently* go where no thoughtful risk taker inadvertently wishes to go. (Kids, can you spell "i*n-p*a*t*t*e*r*n s*t*a*l*l/s*p*i*n?") Furthermore personally, I'd love to have an AoA gauge in my (flapped) glider, even if NOT scientifically/numerically accurate. So long as it's repeatable, I wouldn't care whether it showed my ship stalled at 10-degrees or 30-degrees AoA for 'whatever' flap deflection. That's the difference between usable engineering accuracy, and scientific (e.g. wind-tunnel-comparative) accuracy. Absence of the latter doesn't rule out usefulness of the former. 'Reverently,' Bob W. |
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