Sims

Kyle Boatright writes:

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

For some people, the differences between flying a real airplane and flying a
simulated airplane simply are not that important, which is why they enjoy
simming. Even for people who prefer flying a real airplane, simulation is
close enough to the real thing and so incredibly inexpensive that it doesn't
make sense to refuse to try it.

In just online sim flying alone I have around 900 hours of time in the air,
for less cost than a single hour in a tiny tin can airplane would cost in real
life (and disregarding the huge cost of just getting a license for a
real-world aircraft).

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Kyle Boatright writes:

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

For some people, the differences between flying a real airplane and
flying a simulated airplane simply are not that important,


You don;t fly a sim, fjukkwit.


Bertie

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:00:22 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Kyle Boatright writes:

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

For some people, the differences between flying a real airplane and flying a
simulated airplane simply are not that important, which is why they enjoy
simming. Even for people who prefer flying a real airplane, simulation is
close enough to the real thing and so incredibly inexpensive that it doesn't
make sense to refuse to try it.

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.


In just online sim flying alone I have around 900 hours of time in the air,
for less cost than a single hour in a tiny tin can airplane would cost in real
life (and disregarding the huge cost of just getting a license for a
real-world aircraft).

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

Ron Kelley

Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.

news.verizon.net writes:

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.

My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.

Opinions are opinions, not established facts. That's something that everyone
needs to learn and understand. Even a pilot with a billion hours of
experience is still expressing an opinion, not an established fact. The
distinction is important because decisions made on opinions treated as facts
are often extremely poor decisions. And if you treat opinions as facts you
make yourself vulnerable to manipulation, which will almost never be in your
favor.

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You have no
direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there for your judgment
is without basis.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
news.verizon.net writes:

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no
grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.

My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.

Opinions are opinions, not established facts. That's something that
everyone
needs to learn and understand. Even a pilot with a billion hours of
experience is still expressing an opinion, not an established fact. The
distinction is important because decisions made on opinions treated as
facts
are often extremely poor decisions. And if you treat opinions as facts
you
make yourself vulnerable to manipulation, which will almost never be in
your
favor.

news.verizon.net writes:

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You have no
direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there for your judgment
is without basis.

As I've said, learning that all opinions are equal takes time. Some learn the
easy way, and some learn the hard way.

Mxsmanic wrote:

My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.


No, your basis for a judgment is not. It would be like you saying which
tastes better Pepsi or Coke when you have never tried Coke.

"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote:

My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.


No, your basis for a judgment is not. It would be like you saying which
tastes better Pepsi or Coke when you have never tried Coke.

Kinda like trying to explain green to someone blind from birth.

The only problem is he says that green is exactly like red, and if you
disagree, you must "explain exactly what is different about them".