FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour

F. Baum writes:

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they did
show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some of
it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment" value
but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked down in
an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA after the
pilot became incapacitated.

A small GA airplane is completely different from an airliner, but in any case,
it has been done successfully in small planes. No circumstances have ever
required it in airliners, but it's certainly doable.

Mxsmanic wrote:

F. Baum writes:

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they did
show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some of
it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment" value
but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked down in
an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA after the
pilot became incapacitated.

A small GA airplane is completely different from an airliner, but in any case,
it has been done successfully in small planes. No circumstances have ever
required it in airliners, but it's certainly doable.

It's important to remember that the would-be pilot/savior would have
tremendous motivation to get it right the first time. When thinking
through that scenario, I always pictured having three or four people
in the cockpit - each with a limited job that they'd be walked through
by an expert on the radio... maybe each with a cell phone connecting
them to individual team members on the ground. Then it's just up to
those experts on the ground to talk each of them through about 1/4 of
the process of getting the plane on the ground in one piece (as
opposed to making a flawless landing on the numbers).

Of course, then they'd all be arrested upong landing for using their
cellphones in flight.

Mark "it's the price you pay for survival I guess" Hickey

Mark Hickey writes:

It's important to remember that the would-be pilot/savior would have
tremendous motivation to get it right the first time.

Yes. That could help or hurt, depending on the personality of the individual.

When thinking
through that scenario, I always pictured having three or four people
in the cockpit - each with a limited job that they'd be walked through
by an expert on the radio... maybe each with a cell phone connecting
them to individual team members on the ground. Then it's just up to
those experts on the ground to talk each of them through about 1/4 of
the process of getting the plane on the ground in one piece (as
opposed to making a flawless landing on the numbers).

That seems unnecessarily complicated. Especially with automation, as long as
the person in the left seat can push a button, turn a dial, and move a lever,
he can land the plane--provided also that he can follow simple instructions on
the radio.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Mark Hickey writes:

It's important to remember that the would-be pilot/savior would have
tremendous motivation to get it right the first time.

Yes. That could help or hurt, depending on the personality of the
individual.

When thinking
through that scenario, I always pictured having three or four people
in the cockpit - each with a limited job that they'd be walked
through by an expert on the radio... maybe each with a cell phone
connecting them to individual team members on the ground. Then it's
just up to those experts on the ground to talk each of them through
about 1/4 of the process of getting the plane on the ground in one
piece (as opposed to making a flawless landing on the numbers).

That seems unnecessarily complicated. Especially with automation, as
long as the person in the left seat can push a button, turn a dial,
and move a lever, he can land the plane--provided also that he can
follow simple instructions on the radio.

hehehe, he said "get it right the first time":
http://www.micom.net/oops/Airbus320_trees.mp4

Darrel Toepfer writes:

hehehe, he said "get it right the first time":

It's not hard to get it right the first time. While most people can't fly
airplanes by hand without making mistakes, everyone has pushed buttons, turned
dials, and moved levers countless times in his life, and if he can also
understand and follow instructions, he can land a 747, which requires no more
than the manipulations just mentioned when the automation is used.

The incorrect assumption made by most people is that the non-pilot would be
trying to fly the aircraft by hand. That happens in Hollywood movies, but not
in reality. There would be absolutely no reason to fly the aircraft by hand,
and it would be dangerous without a qualified pilot in charge (and qualified
means on the aircraft in question, not just someone with a PPL).

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Darrel Toepfer writes:

hehehe, he said "get it right the first time":

It's not hard to get it right the first time. While most people can't
fly airplanes by hand without making mistakes, everyone has pushed
buttons, turned dials, and moved levers countless times in his life,
and if he can also understand and follow instructions, he can land a
747, which requires no more than the manipulations just mentioned when
the automation is used.


Nope.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Mark Hickey writes:

It's important to remember that the would-be pilot/savior would have
tremendous motivation to get it right the first time.

Yes. That could help or hurt, depending on the personality of the
individual.


You would have no chance asshole.


When thinking
through that scenario, I always pictured having three or four people
in the cockpit - each with a limited job that they'd be walked
through by an expert on the radio... maybe each with a cell phone
connecting them to individual team members on the ground. Then it's
just up to those experts on the ground to talk each of them through
about 1/4 of the process of getting the plane on the ground in one
piece (as opposed to making a flawless landing on the numbers).

That seems unnecessarily complicated. Especially with automation, as
long as the person in the left seat can push a button, turn a dial,
and move a lever, he can land the plane--provided also that he can
follow simple instructions on the radio.


Well, that would rule you out, fjukktard.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:

No circumstances have ever required it in airliners, but it's
certainly doable.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0080339
http://imdb.com/title/tt0083530
http://imdb.com/title/tt0065377
http://imdb.com/title/tt0071110
http://imdb.com/title/tt0367085


















I kneaux, I really shouldn't have...

Darrel Toepfer writes:

Mxsmanic wrote:

No circumstances have ever required it in airliners, but it's
certainly doable.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0080339
http://imdb.com/title/tt0083530
http://imdb.com/title/tt0065377
http://imdb.com/title/tt0071110
http://imdb.com/title/tt0367085

These are works of fiction. Note also that they don't generally involve
non-pilots flying the aircraft.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Darrel Toepfer writes:

Mxsmanic wrote:

No circumstances have ever required it in airliners, but it's
certainly doable.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0080339
http://imdb.com/title/tt0083530
http://imdb.com/title/tt0065377
http://imdb.com/title/tt0071110
http://imdb.com/title/tt0367085

These are works of fiction.


just like you!


Bertie