Class B airspace notation

On Dec 16, 12:11 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
BillJ writes:
I thought I understood everything that could be on a sectional, but
before a trip to New York City airspace, I studied the sectional and
terminal area charts a little extra carefully. Just southwest of Newark
(EWR) (and also other places) there is a notation such as 70/+12 in blue
for the floor and ceiling of class B airspace. What does the "+" mean?

Above, but not including 1200 feet MSL, presumably (although I've never seen
this myself).

What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?

wrote:
On Dec 16, 12:11 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

BillJ writes:

I thought I understood everything that could be on a sectional, but
before a trip to New York City airspace, I studied the sectional and
terminal area charts a little extra carefully. Just southwest of Newark
(EWR) (and also other places) there is a notation such as 70/+12 in blue
for the floor and ceiling of class B airspace. What does the "+" mean?

Above, but not including 1200 feet MSL, presumably (although I've never seen
this myself).


What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?

One foot.

writes:

What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?

I think it serves when you have two airspaces with no margin between them.
For exampple, one is 12/SFC, the other is 70/12+. So at 1200 feet you're in
one airspace, and at 1201 feet, you're in the other. If they were specified
as 11/SFC and 70/12, the space between 1101 feet and 1199 feet inclusive would
be outside either airspace.

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:


What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?


I think it serves when you have two airspaces with no margin between them.
For exampple, one is 12/SFC, the other is 70/12+. So at 1200 feet you're in
one airspace, and at 1201 feet, you're in the other. If they were specified
as 11/SFC and 70/12, the space between 1101 feet and 1199 feet inclusive would
be outside either airspace.

Wrong. Study the TERPS. Again, Anthony, you're a simulator freak, not a
pilot of any kind. Your posting of incorrect and misleading answers is a
waste of everyone's time. What you "think" is irrelevant.

Rip writes:

Wrong. Study the TERPS. Again, Anthony, you're a simulator freak, not a
pilot of any kind. Your posting of incorrect and misleading answers is a
waste of everyone's time. What you "think" is irrelevant.

If I'm incorrect, why don't you provide the correct answer? You waste
everyone's time by saying I'm wrong without saying what's right.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Rip writes:

Wrong. Study the TERPS. Again, Anthony, you're a simulator freak, not
a pilot of any kind. Your posting of incorrect and misleading answers
is a waste of everyone's time. What you "think" is irrelevant.

If I'm incorrect, why don't you provide the correct answer? You waste
everyone's time by saying I'm wrong without saying what's right.


Because you don't fly.


Bertie

On 2007-12-17, Rip wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?

I think it serves when you have two airspaces with no margin between them.
For exampple, one is 12/SFC, the other is 70/12+. So at 1200 feet you're in
one airspace, and at 1201 feet, you're in the other. If they were specified
as 11/SFC and 70/12, the space between 1101 feet and 1199 feet inclusive would
be outside either airspace.

Wrong. Study the TERPS. Again, Anthony, you're a simulator freak, not a
pilot of any kind. Your posting of incorrect and misleading answers is a
waste of everyone's time. What you "think" is irrelevant.

It's easy to put trolls into the kill file. However I haven't found a good way
to kill troll fodder like this in SLRN. Any suggestions?
--
Doug Carter

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

writes:

What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?

I think it serves when you have two airspaces with no margin between
them. For exampple, one is 12/SFC, the other is 70/12+. So at 1200
feet you're in one airspace, and at 1201 feet, you're in the other.
If they were specified as 11/SFC and 70/12, the space between 1101
feet and 1199 feet inclusive would be outside either airspace.


Wrong

Bertie

In article ,
says...



I think it serves when you have two airspaces with no margin between them.
For exampple, one is 12/SFC, the other is 70/12+. So at 1200 feet you're in
one airspace, and at 1201 feet, you're in the other. If they were specified
as 11/SFC and 70/12, the space between 1101 feet and 1199 feet inclusive would
be outside either airspace.



Trying to read between the lines of this incredibly weird post, it would appear
the writer is suffering from the illusion that "fractional" airspace altitudes
in a given segment are indicated both for the charted (Class B) airspace and
for the underlying (Class E). Readers should be advised of the fact that this
expert, offering his "presumptions" may never have seen a sectional chart, and
certainly has never studied the subject - does not know how to read the chart.

The original poster, writing for information or clarification, should be
advised that use or application of any information gleaned from this expert
could lead to hazardous in-flight conditions . . .

Airbus wrote in
:

In article ,
says...



I think it serves when you have two airspaces with no margin between
them. For exampple, one is 12/SFC, the other is 70/12+. So at 1200
feet you're in one airspace, and at 1201 feet, you're in the other.
If they were specified as 11/SFC and 70/12, the space between 1101
feet and 1199 feet inclusive would be outside either airspace.



Trying to read between the lines of this incredibly weird post, it
would appear the writer is suffering from the illusion that
"fractional" airspace altitudes in a given segment are indicated both
for the charted (Class B) airspace and for the underlying (Class E).
Readers should be advised of the fact that this expert, offering his
"presumptions" may never have seen a sectional chart, and certainly
has never studied the subject - does not know how to read the chart.

The original poster, writing for information or clarification, should
be advised that use or application of any information gleaned from
this expert could lead to hazardous in-flight conditions . . .


Unless he gets his rudder trimmed so the guy above him doesn't clean it
off.


Bertie