Class B airspace notation

Mxsmanic wrote:
Rip writes:


Nobody asked for your damned "presumptions", Anthony.


So?

So, keep your damned presumptions to yourself. There is no room for them
in real aviation.



Note to all: Mxsmanic is not a pilot, has never flown an aircraft
of any type, and thinks that hundreds of hours wasted playing
Microsoft Flight Simulator qualifies him to make comments ad nauseum.


And yet I gave the correct answer, didn't I?

No, you didn't. Find a good English dictionary and study the definitions
of "presume" and "answer". And then study a sectional.

On Dec 16, 12:11 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
BillJ writes:
I thought I understood everything that could be on a sectional, but
before a trip to New York City airspace, I studied the sectional and
terminal area charts a little extra carefully. Just southwest of Newark
(EWR) (and also other places) there is a notation such as 70/+12 in blue
for the floor and ceiling of class B airspace. What does the "+" mean?

Above, but not including 1200 feet MSL, presumably (although I've never seen
this myself).

What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?

wrote:
On Dec 16, 12:11 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

BillJ writes:

I thought I understood everything that could be on a sectional, but
before a trip to New York City airspace, I studied the sectional and
terminal area charts a little extra carefully. Just southwest of Newark
(EWR) (and also other places) there is a notation such as 70/+12 in blue
for the floor and ceiling of class B airspace. What does the "+" mean?

Above, but not including 1200 feet MSL, presumably (although I've never seen
this myself).


What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?

One foot.

Rip writes:

So, keep your damned presumptions to yourself. There is no room for them
in real aviation.

Fortunately, freedom of speech is an important aspect of USENET, and so I'll
post my presumptions if I so desire, irrespective of any orders you might
give.

No, you didn't. Find a good English dictionary and study the definitions
of "presume" and "answer". And then study a sectional.

I said "above but not including 1200 feet MSL." So did a lot of other people.

Show the error.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Rip writes:

So, keep your damned presumptions to yourself. There is no room for
them in real aviation.

Fortunately, freedom of speech is an important aspect of USENET, and
so I'll post my presumptions if I so desire, irrespective of any
orders you might give.

No, you didn't. Find a good English dictionary and study the
definitions of "presume" and "answer". And then study a sectional.

I said "above but not including 1200 feet MSL." So did a lot of other
people.

Show the error.


BD, you can use a search engine.


Doesn;'t matter, you don;'t fly and you never will so you don't count.


And you know it.



Bertie

writes:

What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?

I think it serves when you have two airspaces with no margin between them.
For exampple, one is 12/SFC, the other is 70/12+. So at 1200 feet you're in
one airspace, and at 1201 feet, you're in the other. If they were specified
as 11/SFC and 70/12, the space between 1101 feet and 1199 feet inclusive would
be outside either airspace.

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:


What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?


I think it serves when you have two airspaces with no margin between them.
For exampple, one is 12/SFC, the other is 70/12+. So at 1200 feet you're in
one airspace, and at 1201 feet, you're in the other. If they were specified
as 11/SFC and 70/12, the space between 1101 feet and 1199 feet inclusive would
be outside either airspace.

Wrong. Study the TERPS. Again, Anthony, you're a simulator freak, not a
pilot of any kind. Your posting of incorrect and misleading answers is a
waste of everyone's time. What you "think" is irrelevant.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

writes:

What is the practical difference between "above, but not
including" (e.g., +12) and "above and including" (e.g., 12)?

I think it serves when you have two airspaces with no margin between
them. For exampple, one is 12/SFC, the other is 70/12+. So at 1200
feet you're in one airspace, and at 1201 feet, you're in the other.
If they were specified as 11/SFC and 70/12, the space between 1101
feet and 1199 feet inclusive would be outside either airspace.


Wrong

Bertie

Rip writes:

Wrong. Study the TERPS. Again, Anthony, you're a simulator freak, not a
pilot of any kind. Your posting of incorrect and misleading answers is a
waste of everyone's time. What you "think" is irrelevant.

If I'm incorrect, why don't you provide the correct answer? You waste
everyone's time by saying I'm wrong without saying what's right.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Rip writes:

Wrong. Study the TERPS. Again, Anthony, you're a simulator freak, not
a pilot of any kind. Your posting of incorrect and misleading answers
is a waste of everyone's time. What you "think" is irrelevant.

If I'm incorrect, why don't you provide the correct answer? You waste
everyone's time by saying I'm wrong without saying what's right.


Because you don't fly.


Bertie