dogfight

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:11:04 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

Ron Wanttaja

On Dec 17, 8:07 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:11:04 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

I don't see any evidence of that on the History Channel's web site or
at the wikipedia entry for the show. Is there a news release for this?

-Robert

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:10:50 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 17, 8:07 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:11:04 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

I don't see any evidence of that on the History Channel's web site or
at the wikipedia entry for the show. Is there a news release for this?

That's what they seem to be saying on the Forums section of the HC web page.

Ron Wanttaja

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:24:25 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:10:50 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 17, 8:07 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:11:04 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

I don't see any evidence of that on the History Channel's web site or
at the wikipedia entry for the show. Is there a news release for this?

That's what they seem to be saying on the Forums section of the HC web page.

They must have forgotten. It was on this morning (Wed) for two hours
and I think it's listed for 6 times on Friday witht he first being at
8:00AM and a bunch in the evening starting around 8:00 PM. I only
listed out the ones in HD, but it's a long way from being canceled.

They use a mix of real life, gun camera, archival, and gasp sim
footage to explain or demonstrate specifics of given confrontations.

Roger (K8RI)

Ron Wanttaja

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:20:36 -0500, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote:

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

I don't see any evidence of that on the History Channel's web site or
at the wikipedia entry for the show. Is there a news release for this?

That's what they seem to be saying on the Forums section of the HC web page.

They must have forgotten. It was on this morning (Wed) for two hours
and I think it's listed for 6 times on Friday witht he first being at
8:00AM and a bunch in the evening starting around 8:00 PM. I only
listed out the ones in HD, but it's a long way from being canceled.

"Canceled," I think, in whether they're still going to make new episodes. Lotsa
shows on cable continue to run and just repeat the same shows.

One of the forum pages says, "...someone who works at the History Channel who
told me that the decision to pull the show happened back in October (after one
night of a ratings dip when the show moved to Thursday) All the shows you have
seen were already in the works when the decision was made. There are only a few
more episodes left."

They also ran something like four new episodes in one week; kind of a sign
they're just dumping them.

Ron Wanttaja

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:46:28 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:20:36 -0500, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote:

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

I don't see any evidence of that on the History Channel's web site or
at the wikipedia entry for the show. Is there a news release for this?

That's what they seem to be saying on the Forums section of the HC web page.

They must have forgotten. It was on this morning (Wed) for two hours
and I think it's listed for 6 times on Friday witht he first being at
8:00AM and a bunch in the evening starting around 8:00 PM. I only
listed out the ones in HD, but it's a long way from being canceled.

"Canceled," I think, in whether they're still going to make new episodes. Lotsa
shows on cable continue to run and just repeat the same shows.
Run and run and run and ...

Makes sense.


One of the forum pages says, "...someone who works at the History Channel who
told me that the decision to pull the show happened back in October (after one
night of a ratings dip when the show moved to Thursday) All the shows you have

These are very low budget shows with mainly archival and sim footage
narrated and you have to admit the audience would be rather
limited/specialized. It's not as if they compete against anything, or
OTOH they compete against everything. For most of the audience these
are the shows, actually channels/networks that most people watch when
there is little else one. It's only for a few of us that they are
primary shows. That and the big games and reality show the general
public watch are what send me too these networks. Besides, many of
these shows are pretty spectacular in HD and wide screen. At least
wide screen for a small living room. :-))

seen were already in the works when the decision was made. There are only a few
more episodes left."

And I believe there is a sweeps week coming up, or at least a preview
for new shows.

Not many of the series on this group of channels are noted for long
life.


They also ran something like four new episodes in one week; kind of a sign
they're just dumping them.

Yup! Pretty good indication.

Roger (K8RI)

Ron Wanttaja

On Dec 19, 7:46 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:

"Canceled," I think, in whether they're still going to make new episodes. Lotsa
shows on cable continue to run and just repeat the same shows.

It seems like a pretty popular show to be canceled. Perhaps another
network will purchase it. I can't seem to figure out who makes the
show (that's not uncommon, some networks don't want the production
company to advertise the fact that they produce the show to avoid
confusing people). My brother is a TV producer and has access to a DB
that should tell us what the production company is. It would be
interesting to know if they are shoping it to other venues.

-robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Dec 19, 7:46 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:

"Canceled," I think, in whether they're still going to make new episodes. Lotsa
shows on cable continue to run and just repeat the same shows.

It seems like a pretty popular show to be canceled. Perhaps another
network will purchase it. I can't seem to figure out who makes the
show (that's not uncommon, some networks don't want the production
company to advertise the fact that they produce the show to avoid
confusing people). My brother is a TV producer and has access to a DB
that should tell us what the production company is. It would be
interesting to know if they are shoping it to other venues.

-robert
Actually, from my personal experience this is not surprising to me at all.
The "excitement" of war and aerial combat in particular piqued during
and immediately after WW2. I noticed the changes taking place even then
as I toured the air show circuit with WW2 fighters. You wouldn't
necessarily notice it if outside the aviation community as the changes
have been quite subtle.
Today, especially with young people, primarily young males, ( the show's
main demographic) the interest in air combat is not anywhere near what
it used to be.
This doesn't mean it's gone by a long shot, but even from what I have
seen within my own family, the interest is waning severely.
There is still a cadre of "aficionados" out here for shows like the
dogfights History Channel project, but I fear not a large enough cross
sectional demographic to support such a show for very long.



--
Dudley Henriques

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:07:38 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:11:04 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

Still on here via DISH Network although the shows are now into reruns.

Roger (K8RI)

Ron Wanttaja

On Dec 17, 8:07*pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:11:04 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

My brother checked his producer's database. The last entry for the
show was the order for the current season last March. Right now they
would normally be in contract negotiations with History Channel for
the next season. He said its probably most likely that both sides are
positioning for the negotiations at this point. His reason for saying
that is that Dogfights and Ice Road Truckers seem to be their marquee
shows so it would be a bit surprising if they really did just decide
not to order another season. BTW: He said they are making a version of
"dogfights" that includes dinosaurs rather that airplanes. Something
like "Jurassic fights".
He has the phone number for the production company that makes
Dogfights because he did some consulting for them awhile back (In TV
people move around all the time). He said he was tempted to call them
up and ask. He's going to see if he knows anyone who's working on
the show though.

-Robert