dogfight

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:20:36 -0500, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote:

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

I don't see any evidence of that on the History Channel's web site or
at the wikipedia entry for the show. Is there a news release for this?

That's what they seem to be saying on the Forums section of the HC web page.

They must have forgotten. It was on this morning (Wed) for two hours
and I think it's listed for 6 times on Friday witht he first being at
8:00AM and a bunch in the evening starting around 8:00 PM. I only
listed out the ones in HD, but it's a long way from being canceled.

"Canceled," I think, in whether they're still going to make new episodes. Lotsa
shows on cable continue to run and just repeat the same shows.

One of the forum pages says, "...someone who works at the History Channel who
told me that the decision to pull the show happened back in October (after one
night of a ratings dip when the show moved to Thursday) All the shows you have
seen were already in the works when the decision was made. There are only a few
more episodes left."

They also ran something like four new episodes in one week; kind of a sign
they're just dumping them.

Ron Wanttaja

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:46:28 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:20:36 -0500, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote:

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

I don't see any evidence of that on the History Channel's web site or
at the wikipedia entry for the show. Is there a news release for this?

That's what they seem to be saying on the Forums section of the HC web page.

They must have forgotten. It was on this morning (Wed) for two hours
and I think it's listed for 6 times on Friday witht he first being at
8:00AM and a bunch in the evening starting around 8:00 PM. I only
listed out the ones in HD, but it's a long way from being canceled.

"Canceled," I think, in whether they're still going to make new episodes. Lotsa
shows on cable continue to run and just repeat the same shows.
Run and run and run and ...

Makes sense.


One of the forum pages says, "...someone who works at the History Channel who
told me that the decision to pull the show happened back in October (after one
night of a ratings dip when the show moved to Thursday) All the shows you have

These are very low budget shows with mainly archival and sim footage
narrated and you have to admit the audience would be rather
limited/specialized. It's not as if they compete against anything, or
OTOH they compete against everything. For most of the audience these
are the shows, actually channels/networks that most people watch when
there is little else one. It's only for a few of us that they are
primary shows. That and the big games and reality show the general
public watch are what send me too these networks. Besides, many of
these shows are pretty spectacular in HD and wide screen. At least
wide screen for a small living room. :-))

seen were already in the works when the decision was made. There are only a few
more episodes left."

And I believe there is a sweeps week coming up, or at least a preview
for new shows.

Not many of the series on this group of channels are noted for long
life.


They also ran something like four new episodes in one week; kind of a sign
they're just dumping them.

Yup! Pretty good indication.

Roger (K8RI)

Ron Wanttaja

On Dec 19, 7:46 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:

"Canceled," I think, in whether they're still going to make new episodes. Lotsa
shows on cable continue to run and just repeat the same shows.

It seems like a pretty popular show to be canceled. Perhaps another
network will purchase it. I can't seem to figure out who makes the
show (that's not uncommon, some networks don't want the production
company to advertise the fact that they produce the show to avoid
confusing people). My brother is a TV producer and has access to a DB
that should tell us what the production company is. It would be
interesting to know if they are shoping it to other venues.

-robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Dec 19, 7:46 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:

"Canceled," I think, in whether they're still going to make new episodes. Lotsa
shows on cable continue to run and just repeat the same shows.

It seems like a pretty popular show to be canceled. Perhaps another
network will purchase it. I can't seem to figure out who makes the
show (that's not uncommon, some networks don't want the production
company to advertise the fact that they produce the show to avoid
confusing people). My brother is a TV producer and has access to a DB
that should tell us what the production company is. It would be
interesting to know if they are shoping it to other venues.

-robert
Actually, from my personal experience this is not surprising to me at all.
The "excitement" of war and aerial combat in particular piqued during
and immediately after WW2. I noticed the changes taking place even then
as I toured the air show circuit with WW2 fighters. You wouldn't
necessarily notice it if outside the aviation community as the changes
have been quite subtle.
Today, especially with young people, primarily young males, ( the show's
main demographic) the interest in air combat is not anywhere near what
it used to be.
This doesn't mean it's gone by a long shot, but even from what I have
seen within my own family, the interest is waning severely.
There is still a cadre of "aficionados" out here for shows like the
dogfights History Channel project, but I fear not a large enough cross
sectional demographic to support such a show for very long.



--
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Actually, from my personal experience this is not surprising to me at all.
The "excitement" of war and aerial combat in particular piqued during and
immediately after WW2.

That is an interesting observation.

I had observed that with the Military Channel (formerly the Aviation
Channel) and the History Channel, that many people that were not diehard
aviation finatics had discovered WW II history (and after) and had
discovered the coolness of learning about military aviation.

I noticed the changes taking place even then as I toured the air show
circuit with WW2 fighters. You wouldn't necessarily notice it if outside
the aviation community as the changes have been quite subtle.
Today, especially with young people, primarily young males, ( the show's
main demographic) the interest in air combat is not anywhere near what it
used to be.

Again, I see that many people not excited about it before, have enjoyed
learning more about it.

This doesn't mean it's gone by a long shot, but even from what I have seen
within my own family, the interest is waning severely.
There is still a cadre of "aficionados" out here for shows like the
dogfights History Channel project, but I fear not a large enough cross
sectional demographic to support such a show for very long.

That may be, and probably is, ultimately true. There are not enough people
out there with their heads (and soles) in the clouds. Not enough to support
programming ratings, to keep it as alive as it needs to be, anyway.

Morgans wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Actually, from my personal experience this is not surprising to me at all.
The "excitement" of war and aerial combat in particular piqued during and
immediately after WW2.

That is an interesting observation.

I had observed that with the Military Channel (formerly the Aviation
Channel) and the History Channel, that many people that were not diehard
aviation finatics had discovered WW II history (and after) and had
discovered the coolness of learning about military aviation.

I noticed the changes taking place even then as I toured the air show
circuit with WW2 fighters. You wouldn't necessarily notice it if outside
the aviation community as the changes have been quite subtle.
Today, especially with young people, primarily young males, ( the show's
main demographic) the interest in air combat is not anywhere near what it
used to be.

Again, I see that many people not excited about it before, have enjoyed
learning more about it.

This doesn't mean it's gone by a long shot, but even from what I have seen
within my own family, the interest is waning severely.
There is still a cadre of "aficionados" out here for shows like the
dogfights History Channel project, but I fear not a large enough cross
sectional demographic to support such a show for very long.

That may be, and probably is, ultimately true. There are not enough people
out there with their heads (and soles) in the clouds. Not enough to support
programming ratings, to keep it as alive as it needs to be, anyway.


Basically the issue I think. The ratings game in TV is murderous. Unless
programs like Dogfights develops a cult following almost in real time as
it airs, I don't believe whatever cross sectional demographic that
exists out here now will support it.
I guess time will tell. Whatever happens, it will be quick :-))

--
Dudley Henriques