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Ian wrote:
Are you saying that I could look at another indicator without spending any less time on anything else? One can give adequate attention to every instrument which can fit on a glider panel, and many more. [....] The vario-off mode is OK, if you must reduce the aural clutter, but please tell us how you believe that turning off a major link (radio) you have with one of the greatest hazards in flying (other traffic) is going to improve your longevity.... Any thing which reduces potential distraction during the most hazardous phase of flying is a Good Thing, in my book. I find the radio useful for expanding awareness of those things which are not readily visible. Continuous three-hundred-sixty degree all-aspect awareness may be impossible for humans, but expanding what we do have is always good. Having too much information is far more rare than is sub-standard processing. Hearing gliders isn't nearly as important as seeing them. Seeing other aircraft is often aided by hearing radio transmissions. Have you literally heard an aircraft you didn't first see? When you do, you may wish you had had some indication of its location prior to your close encounter. The radio is one way of improving your chances. I would not want to restrict my ability to receive pertinent information from air or ground sources. Jack |
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On Dec 21, 9:58*am, J a c k wrote:
Ian wrote: Are you saying that I could look at another indicator without spending any less time on anything else? One can give adequate attention to every instrument which can fit on a glider panel, and many more. [....] The vario-off mode is OK, if you must reduce the aural clutter, but please tell us how you believe that turning off a major link (radio) you have with one of the greatest hazards in flying (other traffic) is going to improve your longevity.... Any thing which reduces potential distraction during the most hazardous phase of flying is a Good Thing, in my book. I find the radio useful for expanding awareness of those things which are not readily visible. Continuous three-hundred-sixty degree all-aspect awareness may be impossible for humans, but expanding what we do have is always good. Having too much information is far more rare than is sub-standard processing. Hearing gliders isn't nearly as important as seeing them. Seeing other aircraft is often aided by hearing radio transmissions. Have you literally heard an aircraft you didn't first see? When you do, you may wish you had had some indication of its location prior to your close encounter. The radio is one way of improving your chances. I would not want to restrict my ability to receive pertinent information from air or ground sources. I also find the radio useful to listen for downwind calls, along with the communication from launchpoint to winch. That's all we hear on our ground frequency so it's not a lot and it's useful (to me). I also like to have the vario on as whilst sink & lift can be obvious (10 down certainly is!), it points it out very clearly and helps me adjust the circuit to suit. A lot of my worst circuits have been flown without the audio vario. |
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On 21 Dec, 10:35, Cats wrote:
I also find the radio useful to listen for downwind calls, along with the communication from launchpoint to winch. That's all we hear on our ground frequency so it's not a lot and it's useful (to me). I also like to have the vario on as whilst sink & lift can be obvious (10 down certainly is!), it points it out very clearly and helps me adjust the circuit to suit. A lot of my worst circuits have been flown without the audio vario. As I wrote, " ... final approach ..." Ian |
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I had a buddy who was killed in his sailplane when he was hit by a powered
plane while on final (the 3 people in the plane died even faster). Bert "Ian" wrote in message ... On 21 Dec, 10:35, Cats wrote: I also find the radio useful to listen for downwind calls, along with the communication from launchpoint to winch. That's all we hear on our ground frequency so it's not a lot and it's useful (to me). I also like to have the vario on as whilst sink & lift can be obvious (10 down certainly is!), it points it out very clearly and helps me adjust the circuit to suit. A lot of my worst circuits have been flown without the audio vario. As I wrote, " ... final approach ..." Ian |
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On 21 Dec, 16:11, "Bert Willing"
wrote: "Ian" wrote in message ... On 21 Dec, 10:35, Cats wrote: I also find the radio useful to listen for downwind calls, along with the communication from launchpoint to winch. That's all we hear on our ground frequency so it's not a lot and it's useful (to me). I also like to have the vario on as whilst sink & lift can be obvious (10 down certainly is!), it points it out very clearly and helps me adjust the circuit to suit. A lot of my worst circuits have been flown without the audio vario. As I wrote, " ... final approach ..." I had a buddy who was killed in his sailplane when he was hit by a powered plane while on final (the 3 people in the plane died even faster). That's very sad. However, like all individual cases, it doesn't really add much evidence. Some might say that it shows how important it is to have a radio on. Some might say it shows how important it is not to be distracted by a vario ... or radio. Ian |
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Ian wrote:
...like all individual cases, it doesn't really add much evidence. Some might say that it shows how important it is to have a radio on. Some might say it shows how important it is not to be distracted by a vario ... or radio. Is that an argument for ignoring statistical aggregations of individual events, or the experience of generations of pilots distilled into training manuals and, hopefully, regulations? Jack |
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On 21 Dec, 21:21, J a c k wrote:
Ian wrote: ...like all individual cases, it doesn't really add much evidence. Some might say that it shows how important it is to have a radio on. Some might say it shows how important it is not to be distracted by a vario ... or radio. Is that an argument for ignoring statistical aggregations of individual events, or the experience of generations of pilots distilled into training manuals and, hopefully, regulations? It's an argument for not reading too much into an individual case, that's all. Incidentally, it's worth remembering that every significant change to a training manual or regulation indicates a willingness to admit that the distilled experience of generations of pilots has, in some respect, been wrong. Or would you care for me to make an argument that since generations of glider pilots have seen no need for AoA indicators, they must be useless ... ? Ian |
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Ian wrote:
On 21 Dec, 10:35, Cats wrote: I also find the radio useful to listen for downwind calls, along with the communication from launchpoint to winch. That's all we hear on our ground frequency so it's not a lot and it's useful (to me). I also like to have the vario on as whilst sink & lift can be obvious (10 down certainly is!), it points it out very clearly and helps me adjust the circuit to suit. A lot of my worst circuits have been flown without the audio vario. As I wrote, " ... final approach ..." But final approach is the easy part, Ian. You have so few alternatives left, after all. Don't most die in the final turn? Jack |
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On 21 Dec, 20:52, J a c k wrote:
Ian wrote: On 21 Dec, 10:35, Cats wrote: I also find the radio useful to listen for downwind calls, along with the communication from launchpoint to winch. That's all we hear on our ground frequency so it's not a lot and it's useful (to me). I also like to have the vario on as whilst sink & lift can be obvious (10 down certainly is!), it points it out very clearly and helps me adjust the circuit to suit. A lot of my worst circuits have been flown without the audio vario. As I wrote, " ... final approach ..." But final approach is the easy part, Ian. You have so few alternatives left, after all. Yes. That's why I don't see any great problem in having audio distractions off and concentrating on landing. Normally I soar with the radio off, turn it on when I decide to return, use it as appropriate in the circuit and kill it when it's not going to be of any more use. Don't most die in the final turn? The overwhelming majority survive the final turn! Ian |
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Ian wrote:
Don't most die in the final turn? The overwhelming majority survive the final turn! Don't most who die in the pattern, die in attempting the final turn? Jack |
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