Las Vegas NV Cortez 1 VFR Arrival/Class B Airspace

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I'm not familiar with that arrival, but you don't have to hear "Cleared to
enter Class B airspace" if you're operating under another clearance that
meets the requirement above.


Like "Cleared to the Las Vegas Airport as filed, climb and maintain 3000
expect 10000 ten minutes after departure, departure frequency 125.05,
squawk 0412..."

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

Like "Cleared to the Las Vegas Airport as filed, climb and maintain 3000
expect 10000 ten minutes after departure, departure frequency 125.05,
squawk 0412..."


There ya go.

A Clearance from ATC is required to fly the Cortez 1 Arrival should include
the words.. "cleared to enter Class B", if not.. ask
Most likely the phraseology will be, "N123VG, Cleared to enter Class B via
the Cortez 1 arrival to North Las Vegas Airport. Maintain VFR."

Most likely you will be restricted by ATC to maintain 3500MSL until in
contact with VGT Tower dependent on their traffic pattern operations. They
run parallel traffic patterns to 12L/30R and 12R/30L on split tower
frequencies. Pattern altitude is 3000MSL.

The Cortez Arrival is the old "Showboat" arrival, until it was imploded. It
was easy to see the Showboat.. it is harder to spot the El Cortez.

BT
VGT based

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
Does being cleared for this arrival automatically give you clearance
to enter Class B airspace or do you need to hear "Cleared to enter
Class B airspace" as well.

Ron Lee

"BT" wrote in message
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A Clearance from ATC is required to fly the Cortez 1 Arrival should
include the words.. "cleared to enter Class B", if not.. ask
Most likely the phraseology will be, "N123VG, Cleared to enter Class B via
the Cortez 1 arrival to North Las Vegas Airport. Maintain VFR."


A clearance to fly the Cortez 1 Arrival need not include the words, "cleared
to enter Class B". The clearance requirement for Class B entry is satisfied
by the clearance for the arrival.

On Dec 22, 7:06*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
A clearance to fly the Cortez 1 Arrival need not include the words, "cleared
to enter Class B". *The clearance requirement for Class B entry is satisfied
by the clearance for the arrival.

WRONG

wrote in message
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On Dec 22, 7:06 am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

A clearance to fly the Cortez 1 Arrival need not include the words,
"cleared
to enter Class B". The clearance requirement for Class B entry is
satisfied
by the clearance for the arrival.


WRONG


Please explain why you believe I'm wrong.

On Dec 22, 9:56*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

Please explain why you believe I'm wrong.

Because you have not provided a reference that ***clearly states*** an
arrival procedure is a clearance into Bravo.

Allen
Aviation videos at http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BeechSundowner

I am happy with this answer now. Another VFR pilot who was cleared on
the Cortez 1 transition route a month ago asked if he was cleared to
enter Class B (as I probably would have). He was chided by the
controller that he had already been cleared for the Cortez 1 arrival.

Thus I am confident that approval by ATC to fly the Cortez 1
transition route also carries with it approval to enter Class B
airspace.

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:
I am happy with this answer now. Another VFR pilot who was cleared on
the Cortez 1 transition route a month ago asked if he was cleared to
enter Class B (as I probably would have). He was chided by the
controller that he had already been cleared for the Cortez 1 arrival.

Thus I am confident that approval by ATC to fly the Cortez 1
transition route also carries with it approval to enter Class B
airspace.

Ron Lee

Which is -EXACTLY- what one would expect if they were to actually
read the damn TAC.

--
Jim Pennino

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wrote:

Ron Lee wrote:
I am happy with this answer now. Another VFR pilot who was cleared on
the Cortez 1 transition route a month ago asked if he was cleared to
enter Class B (as I probably would have). He was chided by the
controller that he had already been cleared for the Cortez 1 arrival.

Thus I am confident that approval by ATC to fly the Cortez 1
transition route also carries with it approval to enter Class B
airspace.

Ron Lee

Which is -EXACTLY- what one would expect if they were to actually
read the damn TAC.


Perhaps. I will admit to not knowing everything and since I have
never flown this type transition route I elected to get clarification
rather than do something stupid as my genetics can predispose me to
do.

Ron Lee