Merry Christmas to all

On Dec 23, 9:30*am, Jay Honeck wrote:

I'm sorry these groups have deteriorated the way they have. *It's
gotten to the point where I no longer recommend (or even mention)
these groups to newbie pilot wannabees anymore, for fear of the
impression they'll come away with. *Quite frankly, it's embarrassing.

Holy Cow Jay, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You
probably top the list when it comes to OT threads. In the short time I
have been here I have read several derogitory posts from you about
politics, people from other countries, parenting advice, advertising
your bisiness, etc. etc.. Quite frankly, you are causing much of the
embarasment .


I keep hoping that the trolls and anti-socials will eventually tire of
their little circle jerk, and move on to other activities.

Circle jerk ?????????? Lets hope you tire of this petyness and move
on.
FB
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I'm sorry these groups have deteriorated the way they have. *It's
gotten to the point where I no longer recommend (or even mention)
these groups to newbie pilot wannabees anymore, for fear of the
impression they'll come away with. *Quite frankly, it's embarrassing.

Holy Cow Jay, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You
probably top the list when it comes to OT threads. In the short time I
have been here I have read several derogitory posts from you about
politics, people from other countries, parenting advice, advertising
your bisiness, etc. etc.. Quite frankly, you are causing much of the
embarasment .

Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. Yet another
anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a
thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
errors, and just plain bad karma.

I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine
years, and have made many good and lasting friends here. I started
here back when I was a new aircraft owner, and have learned more about
aviation than I could have ever learned anywhere else.

To say these groups were a marvelous asset to any pilot was an
understatement. There was simply no better source of information
available, anywhere.

How far we have fallen!

Over time, I came to know most of the regulars here, both on-line and
in-person. I created our "Rogue's Gallery" of Rec.Aviation pilots
(See it he http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm) to
provide a place for everyone to show off their planes and where
they've flown, and everyone used it -- back when I used to promote its
existence here.

Our annual "Fly-In Pool Party" and "Rec.Aviation HOPS Party" at
Oshkosh became fixtures with many, many pilots who heard about it here
first. We were one big, happy family, and EVERYONE was welcomed with
open arms -- especially non-pilots.

Sadly, sometime in early 2007, things started to change. The level of
cordial collegiality and downright brotherhood here -- formerly the
best part of this group -- began to deteriorate. Suddenly we had non-
pilots posing as pilots -- and real pilots responding to them with
such brilliant responses as "****wit!" -- over and over and over
again, ad nauseum.

As the level of dispute grew, regulars (like Steve) began to drift
away. It simply wasn't worth the effort to wade through all the BS to
find the nuggets of gold. And without their input, the level of noise
to signal continued to rise, to the point where we find it today.

And all that's left are the "F.Baums" of the world, to pound that
point home.

Now, it's simply impossible to start a thread -- on any topic -- that
doesn't end up a ****ing match between MX and Bertie, or with bitter
lies from other anonymous posters. Sure, we can set up kill-files
that eliminate their posts, but not the inevitable answers and counter-
points -- and before you know it the original topic is lost, and
everyone is an "idiot" or a "****wit"...

It's all terribly sad. But, again, I keep hoping the trolls and
unhappy souls who have found this group will eventually get bored with
it all, and we can get back to piloting.

Merry Christmas, all. May 2008 be a better year here.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck schrieb:

Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. Yet another

NACK, it just prooved his point.

anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a

heck, you are the "same" idiot posting via Googe-Groups (just to bring
up another insult).

thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
errors, and just plain bad karma.

yeah: no arguments. ha!

I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine

yes, and at least half of it off-topic.

How far we have fallen!

how true.

And all that's left are the "F.Baums" of the world, to pound that
point home.

Now come on! Now you have to flame towards me. Please! You have to!

#m

On Dec 23, 11:09*am, Jay Honeck wrote:

Nothing could have illustrated my point more, or better. *Yet another
anonymous poster ("F. Baum" is neither "F" nor "Baum") polluting a
thread with bitterness, inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical
errors, and just plain bad karma.

Sorry bout the misspellins, I ussually type fast and dont bother to
proof. Your calling everyone a "Jerk Off" could not have illustrated
my point more, or better.

I've posted on these groups thousands of times over the last nine
years, and have made many good and lasting friends here. *

You have also bashed just about every Non White, Non US Middle Class
segment of society.


To say these groups were a marvelous asset to any pilot was an
understatement. *There was simply no better source of information
available, anywhere.

How far we have fallen!

Over time, I came to know most of the regulars here, both on-line and
in-person. *I created our "Rogue's Gallery" of Rec.Aviation pilots
(See it hehttp://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm) to
provide a place for everyone to show off their planes and where
they've flown, and everyone used it -- back when I used to promote its
existence here.

Our annual "Fly-In Pool Party" and "Rec.Aviation HOPS Party" at
Oshkosh became fixtures with many, many pilots who heard about it here
first. *We were one big, happy family, and EVERYONE was welcomed with
open arms -- especially non-pilots.

Sadly, sometime in early 2007, things started to change. The level of
cordial collegiality and downright brotherhood here -- formerly the
best part of this group -- began to deteriorate. *Suddenly we had non-
pilots posing as pilots -- and real pilots responding to them with
such brilliant responses as "****wit!" -- over and over and over
again, ad nauseum.

The fjuckwit guy isnt me. I will give Bertie credit that he does a
good job of heckling those who take themselves too seriously. He also
knows alot more about flying than you do. You can bite me if you are
suggesting that I am not a real pilot. With all of the OT threads that
you have started, it is funny that you think that only "Real" pilots
should post here. Why not anyone with a valid avaition related
topic ? What makes you, of all posters, the USNET police

Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"F. Baum" wrote

The fjuckwit guy isnt me. I will give Bertie credit that he does a
good job of heckling those who take themselves too seriously. He also
knows alot more about flying than you do.

Jim in NC wrote:
You have to be kidding. Bertie, in the over all view of things, is worse
for the group than MX ever could be.

Without him, stirring the pot, we would have a chance at ignoring the MX
types, and they would go away. His constant response is like buying booze
for an alcoholic. It is what he lives for.

As far as off topic posts go, this will always be a "virtual pilot's lounge
bull session" and nothing (other than all the good people leaving) will
change that...

As long as they are respectful of other people, I don't see the problem with
it. If labeled "OT" people can ignore them as they wish.

I agree. This forum is on the way to extinction.

Now I'm going to say a bad word, so look away, if you wish.

Thanks, all you circle jerk pudwads. Thanks for nothing.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in
:


"F. Baum" wrote

The fjuckwit guy isnt me. I will give Bertie credit that he does a
good job of heckling those who take themselves too seriously. He also
knows alot more about flying than you do.

Jim in NC wrote:
You have to be kidding. Bertie, in the over all view of things, is
worse for the group than MX ever could be.

Without him, stirring the pot, we would have a chance at ignoring the
MX types, and they would go away. His constant response is like
buying booze for an alcoholic. It is what he lives for.

As far as off topic posts go, this will always be a "virtual pilot's
lounge bull session" and nothing (other than all the good people
leaving) will change that...

As long as they are respectful of other people, I don't see the
problem with it. If labeled "OT" people can ignore them as they wish.

I agree. This forum is on the way to extinction.

Now I'm going to say a bad word, so look away, if you wish.

Thanks, all you circle jerk pudwads. Thanks for nothing.

You're welcome for nothing.


Bertie

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:03:12 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote in :


Thanks, all you circle jerk pudwads. Thanks for nothing.

Ah, at this time of year it always gives me a warm feeling to see the
true expressions of love, joy, peace and forgiveness that my fellow
airmen enthusiastically express toward their fellow man. Thanks for
making rec.aviation.piloting a better place. :-)

Larry Dighera wrote in
:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:03:12 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote in :


Thanks, all you circle jerk pudwads. Thanks for nothing.

Ah, at this time of year it always gives me a warm feeling to see the
true expressions of love, joy, peace and forgiveness that my fellow
airmen enthusiastically express toward their fellow man. Thanks for
making rec.aviation.piloting a better place. :-)


Ah, another wise man checks in with a message of peace.



Bertie

You have to be kidding. *Bertie, in the over all view of things, is worse
for the group than MX ever could be.

For evidence of the downfall of this group, I once again direct you to
the Rogue's Gallery: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm

Take a long look at the dozens and dozens of pilots who felt so
attached to this group that they sent pictures of their plane(s) along
with a personal write-up, just a few short years ago. It's easy to
appreciate the positive, enthusiastic, upbeat tone of the write-ups
and all the photos of their beautiful aircraft.

Now check out how many of these same folks no longer post here, thanks
to the trolls. The number of good folks who have been driven away by
their never-ending bile FAR outnumber those who still hang out here on
a regular basis.

I'm still in touch with many of these folks, off-group. Some have
become very good friends over the years. Without exception, they have
abandoned this newsgroup to escape the handfull of anonymous
miscreants who feel called to hijack every thread. They simply voted
with their feet, and moved on. It's extremely sad, and we're all the
worse for it.

We can only hope that the Christmas spirit will infect these newsgroup-
Scrooges, and they'll turn into positive contributors. Or maybe --
just maybe -- their parents will take away their computers until
school starts again...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote in news:a369b516-f7d7-4e18-895b-
:

You have to be kidding. *Bertie, in the over all view of things, is
wors
e
for the group than MX ever could be.

For evidence of the downfall of this group, I once again direct you to
the Rogue's Gallery: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm

Take a long look at the dozens and dozens of pilots who felt so
attached to this group that they sent pictures of their plane(s) along
with a personal write-up, just a few short years ago. It's easy to
appreciate the positive, enthusiastic, upbeat tone of the write-ups
and all the photos of their beautiful aircraft.

Now check out how many of these same folks no longer post here, thanks
to the trolls. The number of good folks who have been driven away by
their never-ending bile FAR outnumber those who still hang out here on
a regular basis.

I'm still in touch with many of these folks, off-group. Some have
become very good friends over the years. Without exception, they have
abandoned this newsgroup to escape the handfull of anonymous
miscreants who feel called to hijack every thread. They simply voted
with their feet, and moved on. It's extremely sad, and we're all the
worse for it.

We can only hope that the Christmas spirit will infect these
newsgroup-
Scrooges, and they'll turn into positive contributors. Or maybe --
just maybe -- their parents will take away their computers until
school starts again...



I'm genuinely touched and hereby resolve to leave the fjukktard Anthony
alone.

From this day forward I will only respond to every post that you make
that does not contain something that advances aviation technically.
Pretty much all of them, in other words.



Merry Crhistmas.



Bertie