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Old December 25th 07, 08:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Tuno
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If you want the runway width, do you also want the lengths and widths
of all runways at the airport? (can do, as well as the fuel)

Neither ATIS nor AWOS freqs are in the NASR's APT table -- UNICOMs and
CTAFs only.

Hopefully the NFD will have all the freqs we see on the charts.
(They're supposed to add comm frequencies sometime in 2008.)

2NO
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Old December 25th 07, 11:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Tuno wrote:
If you want the runway width, do you also want the lengths and widths
of all runways at the airport? (can do, as well as the fuel)


John L.'s solution for SeeYou format was to pick the widest runway for
each airport, then list it's length in the Length: box and width in the
Description: box. That's been adequate for my purposes, and made it
easier for him to produce multiple formats (cup, dat, etc) that didn't
have all the same fields.

Listing all the runways by direction, length, width, and surface (e.g.
RWY 12/20, 2400, 50W, grass) would be quite useful, I think, as the wind
may dictate another choice, and I can't always determine the width from
the air, and for recognizing it more easily.


Neither ATIS nor AWOS freqs are in the NASR's APT table -- UNICOMs and
CTAFs only.


Odd.

Hopefully the NFD will have all the freqs we see on the charts.
(They're supposed to add comm frequencies sometime in 2008.)


I'd love that, so I don't have to dig out a map and find the frequency.
At home, I keep a list on the side of the cockpit, but I travel all over
the country flying from airports as soaring weather happens, so I don't
have a list prepared.

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Old December 26th 07, 01:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Tuno
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JL and I think alike. I ended up using the widest runway too for the
runway specified in the length field, and I also specified the longest
runway if more than one at that width.

The descriptions look like this:

"12/30 2000x50ft DIRT"
"C122.8 U122.8 100LL 10/28 4000x75ft ASPH-E"
"C126.1 U122.95 100LL 04L/22R 4401x75ft ASPH-G 04R/22L 4870x75ft ASPH-
G"
"03L/21R 10012x150ft ASPH 03R/21L 9904x150ft CONC"

From left to right, they contain:

[CTAF-freq] [UNICOM-freq(s)] [100LL] [Runway1 ...]

.... where each Runway looks like

[Designation LxWft Surface]

.... and in many cases only one or two of the first three fields have
values.

Does that look useful? Any other suggestions?

2NO
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Old December 26th 07, 02:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Eric Greenwell
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Default Replacement for DAFIF Airspace Data

Tuno wrote:
JL and I think alike. I ended up using the widest runway too for the
runway specified in the length field, and I also specified the longest
runway if more than one at that width.

The descriptions look like this:

"12/30 2000x50ft DIRT"
"C122.8 U122.8 100LL 10/28 4000x75ft ASPH-E"
"C126.1 U122.95 100LL 04L/22R 4401x75ft ASPH-G 04R/22L 4870x75ft ASPH-
G"
"03L/21R 10012x150ft ASPH 03R/21L 9904x150ft CONC"

From left to right, they contain:

[CTAF-freq] [UNICOM-freq(s)] [100LL] [Runway1 ...]

... where each Runway looks like

[Designation LxWft Surface]

... and in many cases only one or two of the first three fields have
values.


It's obvious, which is good, except for the E and G after ASPH (for
"asphalt" I assume): G = grass/gravel/?; E = ??

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Old December 26th 07, 04:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Tuno
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It's obvious, which is good, except for the E and G after ASPH (for
"asphalt" I assume): G = grass/gravel/?; E = ??


From the database descriptionator:

RUNWAY SURFACE TYPE AND CONDITION
CONC - PORTLAND CEMENT CONCRETE
ASPH - ASPHALT OR BITUMINOUS CONCRETE
SNOW - SNOW
ICE - ICE
MATS - PIERCED STEEL PLANKING; LANDING
MATS; MEMBRANES
TREATED - OILED; SOIL CEMENT OR LIME STABILIZED
GRAVEL - GRAVEL; CINDERS; CRUSHED ROCK;
CORAL OR SHELLS; SLAG
TURF - GRASS; SOD
DIRT - NATURAL SOIL
WATER - WATER
E - EXCELLENT CONDITION
G - GOOD CONDITION
F - FAIR CONDITION
P - POOR CONDITION
L - FAILED CONDITION

THE VALUE CAN BE ANY ONE OF THOSE DESCRIBED
ABOVE OR A COMBINATION OF TWO TYPES WHEN
THE RUNWAY IS COMPOSED OF DISTINCT SECTIONS.

THE SURFACE TYPE IS OPTIONALLY FOLLOWED BY
A CONDITION INDICATOR.
 




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