Fly Boy ?????

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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I think it is relevant.


You're free to think that, but it's still irrelevant.



If you had flown for one of the military services, a
lot of the things we're talking to you about would be things that you'd
experienced. Maybe it never occurred to you, never having experienced it,
that
military flight manuals are constantly being updated as new information
regarding the aircraft is received, either from the manufacturer or from
the
field.


Updated with new information from the field? How can that be? ......

I don't imagine that you've ever heard of specific unit using certain aircraft
conducting certain kinds of field tests on their equipment. I could give you
examples of what I am talking about, but it would only serve to continue your
ongoing arguing about the subject. You disparage information from the
manufacturer, but you now are questioning the existence of pireps where you just
finished saying that they were the only reliable information available to the
aircrews. It would help if you made up your mind which source of information
for pilots you wish to endorse.

.....You've taken the position that the manufacturer's theories trump actual
experience from
the field.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I said nothing of the sort. I'm trying
to get across to you that the body of knowledge has input from more than one
source.





I flew I don't remember how many different kinds of aircraft, and I knew
how to ditch every one of them, and I learned how best to do it from
constant
study of the flight manuals, which provided me with the most current data
available I needed in order to make good decisions.

I flew about 4,000 hours in my military career. I never ditched an
airplane,
never bailed out of one, and walked away from every landing without even a
slight limp. Those are my credentials. There are guys who frequent this
NG
with a helluva lot more than that, and they have my attention and respect.
I
doubt that you're one of them.


I think if you review your messages in this thread a few days from now
you'll see that you've taken a completely illogical position.

Well, if you say so, but I don't see too many people here agreeing with you.

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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I don't imagine that you've ever heard of specific unit using certain
aircraft conducting certain kinds of field tests on their equipment.


I have.



I could give you examples of what I am talking about, but it would
only serve to continue your ongoing arguing about the subject.


I could give you examples of the same.



You disparage information from the manufacturer,


I've done nothing at all like that.



but you now are questioning the existence of pireps where you just
finished saying that they were the only reliable information available to
the aircrews. It would help if you made up your mind which source of
information for pilots you wish to endorse.


I have been consistent throughout.



Now you're putting words in my mouth. I said nothing of the sort.


Those are the words of your message.



I'm trying to get across to you that the body of knowledge has input
from more than one source.


It'll work better if I play the teacher and you play the student. What I'm
trying to get across to you is that if the manufacturer says the airplane
will behave in a certain way, and field experience proves it behaves in a
different way, then the manufacturer was wrong.



Well, if you say so, but I don't see too many people here agreeing with
you.


One rarely sees many responses of simple agreement in these forums.

It appears you still haven't realized that your messages on this subject
have largely supported my position at the expense of your own.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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It'll work better if I play the teacher and you play the student.

With an arrogant attitude like that, it'll never work at all, much less better.
You don't know it all, although I'm sure that thought never occurred to you.
You put words in my mouth which do not reflect my views, merely your erroneous
interpretation or understanding of what they are. We are quite obviously not on
the same page, and I see little point in wasting my time pursuing the matter any
further.

As far as I am concerned, the matter is closed and it's time to move on.

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

It'll work better if I play the teacher and you play the student.

With an arrogant attitude like that, it'll never work at all, much less better.
You don't know it all, although I'm sure that thought never occurred to you.
You put words in my mouth which do not reflect my views, merely your erroneous
interpretation or understanding of what they are. We are quite obviously not on
the same page, and I see little point in wasting my time pursuing the matter any
further.

Smart move, George. McNicoll fancies himself as a "teacher?"
What a JOKE! McNicoll can't teach fer **** (he can't transmit
knowledge that he doesn't have!) and I'll bet he can't fly fer ****
either. Ya' just can't win with the guy. If you agree with him you are
wrong, and if you don't agree you are even more wrong. And as
you say, when he finds himself on the losing end of one of his
pointless arguments, he simply snips away the gist of your message
and puts words in your mouth. Finally, when all else fails, he'll trot
out one of his annoying trademark tarveresque one-liners such as:
"irrelevant."TM.

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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"George Z. Bush" wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

It'll work better if I play the teacher and you play the student.

With an arrogant attitude like that, it'll never work at all, much less
better.
You don't know it all, although I'm sure that thought never occurred to you.
You put words in my mouth which do not reflect my views, merely your
erroneous
interpretation or understanding of what they are. We are quite obviously not
on
the same page, and I see little point in wasting my time pursuing the matter
any
further.

Smart move, George. McNicoll fancies himself as a "teacher?"
What a JOKE! McNicoll can't teach fer **** (he can't transmit
knowledge that he doesn't have!) and I'll bet he can't fly fer ****
either. Ya' just can't win with the guy. If you agree with him you are
wrong, and if you don't agree you are even more wrong. And as
you say, when he finds himself on the losing end of one of his
pointless arguments, he simply snips away the gist of your message
and puts words in your mouth. Finally, when all else fails, he'll trot
out one of his annoying trademark tarveresque one-liners such as:
"irrelevant."TM.

Thanks, Mike. It's a comfort to know that I'm not the only one who sees him for
the dingbat he is.

George Z.