Europe as joke

Chad Irby schrieb:

You were unable to handle a uniquely European problem in the
Balkans, why must we continue to pay?

Since when is a genocide a "uniquely European problem"?

Well, it's much more *professional* in Europe....


It´s not a topic jerk with.

First, genocides are not limited to Europe (just a glimpse.. besides
german crimes in 1930/1940s, there had been genocidal events in all
parts of the world: Turkey/Armenia, North and South America,
Indonesia, and many more. :-( ).

Second, I was referring to those who had the chance to interact and
prevent more cruelties. It is a crime to stand by if you have the
ability to jump in as much as it is to leave before the task is done.
The Balkan isn´t settled yet as the Kosovo and recent rumours and
events in Serbia prove.

Gruss, Roman

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:48:04 +0200, Roman J. Rohleder wrote:

Chad Irby schrieb:

You were unable to handle a uniquely European problem in the
Balkans, why must we continue to pay?

Since when is a genocide a "uniquely European problem"?

Well, it's much more *professional* in Europe....


It´s not a topic jerk with.

First, genocides are not limited to Europe (just a glimpse.. besides
german crimes in 1930/1940s, there had been genocidal events in all
parts of the world: Turkey/Armenia, North and South America,
Indonesia, and many more. :-( ).

Second, I was referring to those who had the chance to interact and
prevent more cruelties. It is a crime to stand by if you have the
ability to jump in as much as it is to leave before the task is done.
The Balkan isn´t settled yet as the Kosovo and recent rumours and
events in Serbia prove.

Gruss, Roman

It is a EU problem, let the EU fix it. You cannot expect the US to act like
a servant of the EU. You do not support us, you can go to hell when
you want help.

Al Minyard

Alan Minyard schrieb:

It is a EU problem, let the EU fix it. You cannot expect the US to act like
a servant of the EU. You do not support us, you can go to hell when
you want help.

You didn´t read what I posted before, did you?

It is irresponsible to act like this. And imorale.

Al Minyard

Gruss, Roman

It is irresponsible to act like this. And imorale.

You're kidding right? Ethnic cleansing in Europe is a problem worthy of every
nations best efforts and money, but religious and ethnic persecution in Asia
(Iraq) is absolutely fine?

Bottom line, because of Germany, France, Belgium and Russia, Europe's
participation in rebuilding Iraq is minimal, particularly in the area of armed
forces. US forces are currently, and have since 1995, been a permanent
presence in the Balkans. If you are not going to help in Iraq, we will be
forced to remove our troops and support in the Balkans in order to ease our
burden in Iraq. We have, as a nation, a more vested interest in Iraq, thus it
is a higher priority for troops and logistical support.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(BUFDRVR) schrieb:

It is irresponsible to act like this. And imorale.

You're kidding right? Ethnic cleansing in Europe is a problem worthy of every
nations best efforts and money, but religious and ethnic persecution in Asia
(Iraq) is absolutely fine?

NO! My statesments included these from the first posting on. This
includes Ruanda as much as Liberia, Indonesia (East Timor),
Zaire/Kongo, or any other place. Acting differently means to apply
double standards. And in fact, government on both sides of the large,
cold pond did apply double standards.

Where did I write to exclude these? Don´t read too much between the
lines. Too much guessing involved.

BUFDRVR

Gruss, Roman

It is irresponsible to act like this. And imorale.

You're kidding right? Ethnic cleansing in Europe is a problem worthy of
every
nations best efforts and money, but religious and ethnic persecution in Asia
(Iraq) is absolutely fine?

NO! My statesments included these from the first posting on. This
includes Ruanda as much as Liberia, Indonesia (East Timor),
Zaire/Kongo, or any other place. Acting differently means to apply
double standards. And in fact, government on both sides of the large,
cold pond did apply double standards.

Where did I write to exclude these? Don´t read too much between the
lines. Too much guessing involved.

No, what was happening in Iraq was as tragic as the FRY, yet with the exception
of the UK, Poland and a few other eastern European nations Europe was
disinterested in helping and quite interested in preventing its termination.
Now that the force-on-force battles are over, the US asks for assistance and
western Europe (save the UK) again turns its back *yet* at the same time
demands US forces remain to help in the Balkans. Its ludicrous.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

But we did NOT agree with you in Iraq.Is it really completely impossible for
an american to accept other peoples not to agree with them?
You don't cease telling here day after day,stupidity after stupidity,post
after post,you don't need us,we are weak,we are stupid,we are useless,
we are unable,and so on...
Okay,if that's what you think!
But now that you're asking for assistance,just open your mind enough,if
that's possible,to admit we have difficulties in accepting.
Nevertheless,we let your resolution be accepted in th UN a few weeks
ago,even if we did not agree with it,in order not to create you more
difficulties that you have.
Still,why do you need assistance from people like us?we are uselless you say
in the same time...nothing is coherent.

Whatever we do,or don't,whatever we say,or don't,we are wrong,and insulted
to be so!Is it the right way to treat countries you need assistance from you
know.
The true is really simple.You only agre with people that agree with you,and
obey,even when you're wrong!


"BUFDRVR" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
It is irresponsible to act like this. And imorale.

You're kidding right? Ethnic cleansing in Europe is a problem worthy of
every
nations best efforts and money, but religious and ethnic persecution in
Asia
(Iraq) is absolutely fine?

NO! My statesments included these from the first posting on. This
includes Ruanda as much as Liberia, Indonesia (East Timor),
Zaire/Kongo, or any other place. Acting differently means to apply
double standards. And in fact, government on both sides of the large,
cold pond did apply double standards.

Where did I write to exclude these? Don´t read too much between the
lines. Too much guessing involved.

No, what was happening in Iraq was as tragic as the FRY, yet with the
exception
of the UK, Poland and a few other eastern European nations Europe was
disinterested in helping and quite interested in preventing its
termination.
Now that the force-on-force battles are over, the US asks for assistance
and
western Europe (save the UK) again turns its back *yet* at the same time
demands US forces remain to help in the Balkans. Its ludicrous.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On or about 25 Oct 2003 17:00:42 GMT, (BUFDRVR)
allegedly uttered:

Bottom line, because of Germany, France, Belgium and Russia, Europe's
participation in rebuilding Iraq is minimal, particularly in the area of armed
forces.

2 of the 4 zones are under European command with thousands upon
thousands of troops in theatre from over a dozen European nations.. If
that's minimal, what were you expecting?

If you mean French and German forces aren't there, say so, please
don't tar us all with the same brush since there are more than 2
countries on the continent.


---
Peter Kemp

Life is short - Drink Faster

2 of the 4 zones are under European command with thousands upon
thousands of troops in theatre from over a dozen European nations.. If
that's minimal, what were you expecting?

I don't believe your "thousands upon thousands" makes up 10% of the total
force. I believe we were hoping for (not expecting) closer to 25-33%.

If you mean French and German forces aren't there, say so, please
don't tar us all with the same brush since there are more than 2
countries on the continent.

The European nation involved are much appreciated and their contribution is not
taken lightly, however, if it were not for the two nations named above, their
would be much greater (in numbers) European involvement.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On or about 26 Oct 2003 02:12:08 GMT, (BUFDRVR)
allegedly uttered:

2 of the 4 zones are under European command with thousands upon
thousands of troops in theatre from over a dozen European nations.. If
that's minimal, what were you expecting?

I don't believe your "thousands upon thousands" makes up 10% of the total
force. I believe we were hoping for (not expecting) closer to 25-33%.

I'm not sure of the total force numbers (and a Google search didn't
give exact numbers), but in the UK AOR there's 3(UK) Div, plus an
Italian Brigade, and battalions from the Netherlands,
Denmark/Lithuania (joint Battalion), and Romania. Assuming similar
manning in the Polish AOR, then you've probably got over 10000 allied
troops from Europe. What percentage that is I won't guess, and I also
won't disagree that the US and the UK were hoping for more, but that
was never going to happen after all the diplomatic noses out of joint
back in the UNSC.

If you mean French and German forces aren't there, say so, please
don't tar us all with the same brush since there are more than 2
countries on the continent.

The European nation involved are much appreciated and their contribution is not
taken lightly, however, if it were not for the two nations named above, their
would be much greater (in numbers) European involvement.

Indeed.

On a completely unrelated note, I noticed that JASSM appears to have
been released for operations. When's the B-52 slated to get an
operational capability?

Cheers,

---
Peter Kemp

Life is short - Drink Faster