allowing guns in cockpits

On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had to.
but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to stem violent
crime.

Why not? An armed society is a polite society.
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Veeduber wrote in
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On Jan 8, 12:11 pm, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:

And perfectly good academic research backs up your belief.
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Personal experience, too.

After Arizona passed its concealed carry law in the early 1990's their
precipitous drop in certain types of crime was matched by a rise in
those statistics here in southern California as the perps sought less
dangerous hunting grounds. Of course, the bleeding hearts insist that
can't be right... :-)



I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had to.
but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to stem violent
crime.



Bertie


Bertie,

There has yet to be, at least that I can find, a single case of the
holder of a CCW permit using his/her firearm in any way other than in
legal self defense. There is no good reason that a citizen of this
country who has no criminal history and has passed a training program
shouldn't be allowed to protect himself.

On Jan 9, 6:39*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Veeduber wrote :





On Jan 8, 12:11 pm, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:

And perfectly good academic research backs up your belief.

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Personal experience, too.

After Arizona passed its concealed carry law in the early 1990's their
precipitous drop in certain types of crime was matched by a rise in
those statistics here in southern California as the perps sought less
dangerous hunting grounds. *Of course, the bleeding hearts insist that
can't be right... :-)

I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had to.
but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to stem violent
crime.

Again, you try to take an argument to a ridiculous extreme in order to
make a flimsy point. No one said everyone should be armed.

-Robert

Its hard to say... In Singapore, owning firearms is a capital offense
punishable by death and it is probably the safest country in the
world. Their thinking is quite logical because why would you want to
own a gun other than to kill? And so they see no point in letting a
person with a gun live. Gun control doesn't always have to be about
giving a free pass to criminals.
Japan is another extremely safe country where guns are strictly
controlled without the harsh penalties of Singapore. Education,
culture, laws etc all play a role in making a country safe. Would
Japan be just as safe if everybody owned a gun? Its possible but
hardly worth the experiment.


Call me crazy but I'm still of the believe that if good, honest
citizens were allowed to carry guns criminals would not feel so
empowered to comment the types of weapons crimes we see today. When a
city passes a law that guarantees that good citizens will not have
guns the criminals get a free pass. I know some liberal who has never
touched a gun before will find this offensive but the truth isn't
always pretty.

-Robert

wrote:
Its hard to say... In Singapore, owning firearms is a capital offense
punishable by death and it is probably the safest country in the
world. Their thinking is quite logical because why would you want to
own a gun other than to kill? And so they see no point in letting a
person with a gun live. Gun control doesn't always have to be about
giving a free pass to criminals.
Japan is another extremely safe country where guns are strictly
controlled without the harsh penalties of Singapore. Education,
culture, laws etc all play a role in making a country safe. Would
Japan be just as safe if everybody owned a gun? Its possible but
hardly worth the experiment.


Criminals are actually treated like criminals in those countries.
And you're right... execution and long prison terms in very
unpleasant conditions are the penalties for crime. (Do they really
chop your hand off for stealing in some Arab countries?)

Anyway... in contrast, criminals in the US are coddled with
free health care... TV sets... probably live better than most
hard working people in Asian countries. Inmates get to sue their
victims and even the state if they don't like their conditions.
Hillary has even proposed that criminals should be able to vote.

As long as our criminal justice system is the way it is
people need and deserve a countermeasure... if they so choose.

kontiki wrote in news:b9ohj.1912$7d1.821
@news01.roc.ny:

wrote:
Its hard to say... In Singapore, owning firearms is a capital offense
punishable by death and it is probably the safest country in the
world. Their thinking is quite logical because why would you want to
own a gun other than to kill? And so they see no point in letting a
person with a gun live. Gun control doesn't always have to be about
giving a free pass to criminals.
Japan is another extremely safe country where guns are strictly
controlled without the harsh penalties of Singapore. Education,
culture, laws etc all play a role in making a country safe. Would
Japan be just as safe if everybody owned a gun? Its possible but
hardly worth the experiment.


Criminals are actually treated like criminals in those countries.
And you're right... execution and long prison terms in very
unpleasant conditions are the penalties for crime. (Do they really
chop your hand off for stealing in some Arab countries?)

Yes, and in some countries it's the death penalty for even realtively minor
crimes. The results across the globe are by no means empirical

Seems to work in some places and not in others.

Bertie

wrote in message
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Its hard to say... In Singapore, owning firearms is a capital offense
punishable by death and it is probably the safest country in the
world.

Well, it's harldly that safe, but it is a police state.

Their thinking is quite logical because why would you want to
own a gun other than to kill?

Were did you learn logic?

And so they see no point in letting a
person with a gun live. Gun control doesn't always have to be about
giving a free pass to criminals.

Sounds like any other tyranny.

Thanks for showing your true side.

Japan is another extremely safe country where guns are strictly
controlled without the harsh penalties of Singapore. Education,
culture, laws etc all play a role in making a country safe. Would
Japan be just as safe if everybody owned a gun? Its possible but
hardly worth the experiment.

First and second generation Japanese in the the US have about the same
homicide rate as those in Japan.

Fella', you don't need to do experiments - you can use LOGIC (yes, the real
stuff, not the phoney stuff you allude to above) in conceptualization
(actually, you HAVE to use it, otherwise it's a "floating abstraction).

Well, it's harldly that safe, but it is a police state.


Were did you learn logic?

Certainly not where you learned to write.

Their thinking is quite logical because why would you want to
own a gun other than to kill?

*cough* Hey, I'm trying to drink coffee here.

And so they see no point in letting a
person with a gun live.

"Letting" people live--particularly those who have caused no harm to
others--isn't a function of government in a free society.

-c

*cough* Hey, I'm trying to drink coffee here.


Try drinking some Kool-Aid instead.


"Letting" people live--particularly those who have caused no harm to
others--isn't a function of government in a free society.

If I thought your IQ was any better than a mountain goat's I would
have engaged you in a discussion!