FAA: Boeing's New 787 May Be Vulnerable to Hacker Attack

On Jan 7, 1:53 pm, Some Other Guy wrote:

So you have hundreds of passenger devices on the network. Due to a bug, one
or many may malfunction and cause a packet storm, either bringing down the
network or causing unacceptable latency. High latency can cause autopilot
oscillation and loss of control. Oops.

We are talking about the flight systems of an aircraft with, as I
suspect you're aware, two pilots who are there and are trained for
such an eventuality.
Autopilots falling over or going awry for a time are not unknown.
As a bye most ISPs handle hundreds, thousands and sometimes hundreds
of thousands of contacts per minute without falling over.
500 passengers wanting to watch the same movie isn't going to crash
the system

george writes:

We are talking about the flight systems of an aircraft with, as I
suspect you're aware, two pilots who are there and are trained for
such an eventuality.

They have not been trained for this, and in any case, in a fly-by-wire system,
there's not much that they can do if the computer is hacked.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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george writes:

We are talking about the flight systems of an aircraft with, as I
suspect you're aware, two pilots who are there and are trained for
such an eventuality.

They have not been trained for this, and in any case, in a fly-by-wire
system, there's not much that they can do if the computer is hacked.


Nope, wrong again, fjukkwit.

Bertie

george wrote:

On Jan 7, 1:53 pm, Some Other Guy wrote:

So you have hundreds of passenger devices on the network. Due to a bug,
one or many may malfunction and cause a packet storm, either bringing
down the
network or causing unacceptable latency. High latency can cause
autopilot
oscillation and loss of control. Oops.

We are talking about the flight systems of an aircraft with, as I
suspect you're aware, two pilots who are there and are trained for
such an eventuality.

In other words, you think it's okay for an in flight entertainment
system to cause the aircraft flight control systems to misbehave.

This is where you and I disagree, and I have nothing more to say about that.

On Jan 9, 12:19 pm, Some Other Guy wrote:
george wrote:

We are talking about the flight systems of an aircraft with, as I
suspect you're aware, two pilots who are there and are trained for
such an eventuality.

In other words, you think it's okay for an in flight entertainment
system to cause the aircraft flight control systems to misbehave.

No but that won't stop you making the claim.

If such an unlikely event might occur the pilots will go through their
drills.
Computerised systems falling over is not a new thing
That's why the aircrew are there and trained to handle such problems


This is where you and I disagree, and I have nothing more to say about that.

Promises

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:35:49 -0800 (PST), george
wrote in
:


If such an unlikely event might occur the pilots will go through their
drills. Computerised systems falling over is not a new thing
That's why the aircrew are there and trained to handle such problems


In fly-by-wire aircraft there are no truly manual controls, are there?
What if the flight crew found their attempts at control input
ineffective do that a hypothetical hack? Are the interconnected
systems designed to prevent the crew's loss of control to the
automated systems?

Larry Dighera wrote in
:

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:35:49 -0800 (PST), george
wrote in
:


If such an unlikely event might occur the pilots will go through their
drills. Computerised systems falling over is not a new thing
That's why the aircrew are there and trained to handle such problems


In fly-by-wire aircraft there are no truly manual controls, are there?
What if the flight crew found their attempts at control input
ineffective do that a hypothetical hack? Are the interconnected
systems designed to prevent the crew's loss of control to the
automated systems?




I know.

Tirbe

george writes:

If such an unlikely event might occur the pilots will go through their
drills.

There aren't any drills that would help.

Computerised systems falling over is not a new thing
That's why the aircrew are there and trained to handle such problems

They are not trained to handle such problems. When the aircraft is controlled
by computer and the computer fails, there isn't any training that will make
any difference.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

george writes:

If such an unlikely event might occur the pilots will go through
their drills.

There aren't any drills that would help.

Computerised systems falling over is not a new thing
That's why the aircrew are there and trained to handle such problems

They are not trained to handle such problems. When the aircraft is
controlled by computer and the computer fails, there isn't any
training that will make any difference.


Nope, wrong again.

Manual reversion is primitive in a 'bus, but adequate for the task.

Of course, don;'t take my word for it. I've only been trained to fly one
and have.

You are an idiot.


Bertie

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:05:43 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote in :

Manual reversion is primitive in a 'bus, but adequate for the task.

Are you implying that there is a physical link between the flight
controls and the control surfaces?