"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton

Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:kuxgj.25686$Ux2.22866@attbi_s22:

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing
IEDs and suicide bombers in America.
Wow.

You are not who I thought you are, Jay.

I'm saddened, by your stand on this.
I stand by my statement. America is a nation of many religions,
united by one culture. The underlying (or, rather, over-arching)
principles of our constitution were laid out by Christian men,


Nope. Jefferson was definitely an Atheist and the others likely so
from all available evidence

Bertie

Nope, Jefferson was most likely a Deist.


Mmm, maybe. We'll never know for sure but he would most definitley would
have given Oral Roberts short shrift.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:kuxgj.25686$Ux2.22866@attbi_s22:

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing
IEDs and suicide bombers in America.
Wow.

You are not who I thought you are, Jay.

I'm saddened, by your stand on this.
I stand by my statement. America is a nation of many religions,
united by one culture. The underlying (or, rather, over-arching)
principles of our constitution were laid out by Christian men,

Nope. Jefferson was definitely an Atheist and the others likely so
from all available evidence

Bertie
Nope, Jefferson was most likely a Deist.


Mmm, maybe. We'll never know for sure but he would most definitley would
have given Oral Roberts short shrift.

Bertie


For sure, probably not, but his writings certainly point towards it and
you are also right that he wouldn't be a fan of Oral Roberts. But then
again there are lots of Christians that aren't a fan of Oral Roberts.


p.s. It was very difficult not to drop Mr. Roberts last name out of the
last sentence.

Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:kuxgj.25686$Ux2.22866@attbi_s22:

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing
IEDs and suicide bombers in America.
Wow.

You are not who I thought you are, Jay.

I'm saddened, by your stand on this.
I stand by my statement. America is a nation of many religions,
united by one culture. The underlying (or, rather, over-arching)
principles of our constitution were laid out by Christian men,

Nope. Jefferson was definitely an Atheist and the others likely so
from all available evidence

Bertie
Nope, Jefferson was most likely a Deist.


Mmm, maybe. We'll never know for sure but he would most definitley
would have given Oral Roberts short shrift.

Bertie


For sure, probably not, but his writings certainly point towards it
and you are also right that he wouldn't be a fan of Oral Roberts. But
then again there are lots of Christians that aren't a fan of Oral
Roberts.

And Jefferson wasn't much of a fan of them either.
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"


p.s. It was very difficult not to drop Mr. Roberts last name out of
the last sentence.


Took me a minute to get that!

I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I don't
think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


And Jefferson wasn't much of a fan of them either.
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"

Well if we are going to start quoting the man I always liked this one.

To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the
human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or
that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but
I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and
Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of
immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy
it certainly is.

And my very favorite:

Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact,
every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason,
than that of blindfolded fear.


But let's remember what organized Christian religion was back then. It
was the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church. The first was
headed by the King of England who Jefferson and damn near everyone else
in the US had every reason to dislike. But both tied back to way to much
the European Monarchies of the time for Jefferson to connect himself
to even if he believed in every single word of their dogma.

Also, remember that Jefferson was not only a politician he was also
pretty much a hippy and a lot of his beliefs didn't exactly jive with
even the mainstream of the day.




p.s. It was very difficult not to drop Mr. Roberts last name out of
the last sentence.


Took me a minute to get that!

I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I don't
think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"


I'm going to call 'Cite' on this one. While I don't really think GW
didn't say it he was probably caught mid babble. Even if I thought GW
was the best President we ever had I would also have to admit he is the
worst public speaker we have ever had in that office. At least since the
advent of TV and maybe radio. But it is kind of fitting because it is a
perfect counter balance to Bill Clinton who while he made everything
sound great he really never said anything. Obama is pretty much the same
as Clinton. He's talked a lot about "Change" but really hasn't
mentioned change to what and how he intends to get there.

For those of you that really hate GW and everything he stands for just
be thankful he wasn't a great speaker because if he was you'd really be
screwed.

Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


And Jefferson wasn't much of a fan of them either.
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"

Well if we are going to start quoting the man I always liked this one.

To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that
the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are
nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason
otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by
Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this
heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know.
But heresy it certainly is.

And my very favorite:

Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact,
every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of
reason, than that of blindfolded fear.


That is good.




But let's remember what organized Christian religion was back then. It
was the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church. The first was
headed by the King of England who Jefferson and damn near everyone
else in the US had every reason to dislike. But both tied back to way
to much
the European Monarchies of the time for Jefferson to connect himself
to even if he believed in every single word of their dogma.

And that has improved over time, how?

Also, remember that Jefferson was not only a politician he was also
pretty much a hippy and a lot of his beliefs didn't exactly jive with
even the mainstream of the day.

Now there's understatement. Unless you meant to say the mainstream of
today...

in any case, he wasn't the only one who wouldn't have thought much of
the modern christian right.






p.s. It was very difficult not to drop Mr. Roberts last name out of
the last sentence.


Took me a minute to get that!

I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I
don't think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor
should they be considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"


I'm going to call 'Cite' on this one. While I don't really think GW
didn't say it he was probably caught mid babble. Even if I thought GW
was the best President we ever had I would also have to admit he is
the worst public speaker we have ever had in that office. At least
since the advent of TV and maybe radio. But it is kind of fitting
because it is a perfect counter balance to Bill Clinton who while he
made everything sound great he really never said anything. Obama is
pretty much the same
as Clinton. He's talked a lot about "Change" but really hasn't
mentioned change to what and how he intends to get there.



For those of you that really hate GW and everything he stands for just
be thankful he wasn't a great speaker because if he was you'd really
be screwed.


No no, not Shrub.

It was his father. I don't think Shrub even knows what an atheist is.
Not that that would stop him from opining on the subject.


He said it in a newspaper interview.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:38:46 -0600, Gig601XLBuilder
wrote in
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I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I don't
think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"


I'm going to call 'Cite' on this one.

http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2002/0303.htm
http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2004/0204.htm
I contacted the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas.
They are archived as Item # CF01193-002.

Larry Dighera wrote in
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:38:46 -0600, Gig601XLBuilder
wrote in
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I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I
don't think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor
should they be considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"


I'm going to call 'Cite' on this one.

http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2002/0303.htm
http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2004/0204.htm
I contacted the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas.
They are archived as Item # CF01193-002.


He wasn't taking to you, netkkkop.


Bertie

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:38:46 -0600, Gig601XLBuilder
wrote in
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I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I don't
think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"

I'm going to call 'Cite' on this one.

http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2002/0303.htm
http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2004/0204.htm
I contacted the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas.
They are archived as Item # CF01193-002.


You didn't contact the library Rob Sherman did and he still hasn't
posted the archived items even though he posted his the 2 year wait 4
years ago.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:24:23 -0600, Gig601XLBuilder
wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:38:46 -0600, Gig601XLBuilder
wrote in
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I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I don't
think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"

I'm going to call 'Cite' on this one.

http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2002/0303.htm
http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2004/0204.htm
I contacted the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas.
They are archived as Item # CF01193-002.


You didn't contact the library Rob Sherman did

That is correct.

and he still hasn't posted the archived items even though he posted
his the 2 year wait 4 years ago.

Perhaps you should file a FOIA request to satisfy your curiosity, or
do you expect someone else to do all your research for you?