Cessna's response to negative feedback on Skycatcher being builtin China

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
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While locked up they would not be able to rob my place. Eventually
they'd get the idea that stealing is a bad idea.

Too simplistic?

Makes sense to me -- but I'd take it further. How's this for criminal
justice?:

Can we all agree that anyone convicted of four (4) felony crimes isn't
getting the message? Or maybe three? Perhaps five? I don't really
care where the threshold is set -- but it needs to be set.


To extend this argument, how many times do you have to be told that your
off topic posting is hypocritical when you whine about others doing it?


3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8?


I propose a UDP for anyone dumb enough not to get this.


Bertie

John Smith wrote in
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Rich Ahrens wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ricky wrote in
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On Jan 4, 2:13 pm, "NW_Pilot"
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We use slave labor in prisons also......Not just china....
American prisoners are not inhumanely tortured to the point of
death for crimes such as being a Christian, dude.



Give them time and there will be torture for not being christian.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition...

I beleive the correct line is, "No one escapes the Spanish
Inquisition!"


Nope, he had it right!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZQI0Xm29To

Bertie

"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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and in those same articles it mentions that some of the prisoners don't
want to go back to their country of origin due to fear for their lives
and some of the countries don't want them back either. but I guess
that does not fit with your argument so you ignore those facts.
The argument, since you clearly have the attention span of a gnat with
ADD, is over the claim that every single person imprisoned at Guantanamo
is a terrorist or guilty of some sort of violent action against the U.S.
Those articles clearly refute that, as do the actions of the Pentagon in
offering them release whether or not they have some place to go. Several
years late, mind you...

You better check your own attention span since you're conflating "cleared
for release" with the circumstances of theri capture.

Oh, so now you're saying the Pentagon is irresponsibly releasing clearing
them for release?

In case you haven't heard, several sent back from Gitmo have been
captured again or killed in attacks against us.

Cites, please. And even if true, might it not be the case that being held
for years under the conditions imposed would be even to **** anyone off
enough to take up arms?

When I do, will you admit error and ignorance, or will you just keep
spouting lefitst/losertarian bull****?


By the way, are you now taking up the cause of China in calling the 22
Uighur secessionists terrorists?

Head out of ass, please.

You first.

We'll see!

Get your surgical gloves on.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Once again ignoring the fact the Pentagon itself acknowledged that more
than 20 percent of them were innocent of charges and should be
released. But still held onto them.

Cite?

You can find articles from last spring (as I said) with five seconds of
effort on Google. Wikipedia quotes one:

"More than a fifth of the approximately 385 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay,
Cuba, have been cleared for release but may have to wait months or years
for their freedom because U.S. officials are finding it increasingly
difficult to line up places to send them..." (Source: 82 Inmates Cleared
but Still Held at Guantanamo, by Craig Whitlock, Washington Post, April
29, 2007.)

That's a nice Washington Post cite, but I asked for one that shows that
the Pentagon has admitted that it's holding innocent men at Gitmo.

Don't hold your breath - Ahrens is still in a fog about those released
detainees that wound up back in Iraq.

I call it "Memory of Convenience" -- others call it just plain "dishonesty".

"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:


"More than a fifth of the approximately 385 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay,
Cuba, have been cleared for release but may have to wait months or years
for their freedom because U.S. officials are finding it increasingly
difficult to line up places to send them..." (Source: 82 Inmates Cleared
but Still Held at Guantanamo, by Craig Whitlock, Washington Post, April
29, 2007.)

That's a nice Washington Post cite, but I asked for one that shows that
the Pentagon has admitted that it's holding innocent men at Gitmo.

RTFA. While I realize you don't believe anything that didn't come straight
from the asses of Faux News, I'm not going to do your research for you.

Nice evasion, ****head.

(About what I expected from Ahrens.)

{plonk}

"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
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Rich Ahrens wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
Once again ignoring the fact the Pentagon itself acknowledged that
more than 20 percent of them were innocent of charges and should be
released. But still held onto them.

Cite?

You can find articles from last spring (as I said) with five seconds of
effort on Google. Wikipedia quotes one:

"More than a fifth of the approximately 385 prisoners at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba, have been cleared for release but may have to wait months or
years for their freedom because U.S. officials are finding it
increasingly difficult to line up places to send them..." (Source: 82
Inmates Cleared but Still Held at Guantanamo, by Craig Whitlock,
Washington Post, April 29, 2007.)

That's a nice Washington Post cite, but I asked for one that shows that
the Pentagon has admitted that it's holding innocent men at Gitmo.

RTFA. While I realize you don't believe anything that didn't come
straight from the asses of Faux News, I'm not going to do your research
for you.

There's no country that will take them. What do you expect the pentagon to
do. Dump them in the Atlantic. If they did that then you'd really bitch.

That's his only output.

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
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"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:


"More than a fifth of the approximately 385 prisoners at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba, have been cleared for release but may have to wait
months or years for their freedom because U.S. officials are
finding it increasingly difficult to line up places to send
them..." (Source: 82 Inmates Cleared but Still Held at Guantanamo,
by Craig Whitlock, Washington Post, April 29, 2007.)

That's a nice Washington Post cite, but I asked for one that shows
that the Pentagon has admitted that it's holding innocent men at
Gitmo.

RTFA. While I realize you don't believe anything that didn't come
straight from the asses of Faux News, I'm not going to do your
research for you.

Nice evasion, ****head.


No, it wasn;'t actually.

bertie

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
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"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
...
Rich Ahrens wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
Once again ignoring the fact the Pentagon itself acknowledged
that more than 20 percent of them were innocent of charges and
should be released. But still held onto them.

Cite?

You can find articles from last spring (as I said) with five
seconds of effort on Google. Wikipedia quotes one:

"More than a fifth of the approximately 385 prisoners at
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have been cleared for release but may have
to wait months or years for their freedom because U.S. officials
are finding it increasingly difficult to line up places to send
them..." (Source: 82 Inmates Cleared but Still Held at Guantanamo,
by Craig Whitlock, Washington Post, April 29, 2007.)

That's a nice Washington Post cite, but I asked for one that shows
that the Pentagon has admitted that it's holding innocent men at
Gitmo.

RTFA. While I realize you don't believe anything that didn't come
straight from the asses of Faux News, I'm not going to do your
research for you.

There's no country that will take them. What do you expect the
pentagon to do. Dump them in the Atlantic. If they did that then
you'd really bitch.

That's his only output.

I was thnking somethng else, actually.


Bertie

Matt W. Barrow wrote:
"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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Matt W. Barrow wrote:
"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
ouse.com...
news.verizon.net wrote:
and in those same articles it mentions that some of the prisoners don't
want to go back to their country of origin due to fear for their lives
and some of the countries don't want them back either. but I guess
that does not fit with your argument so you ignore those facts.
The argument, since you clearly have the attention span of a gnat with
ADD, is over the claim that every single person imprisoned at Guantanamo
is a terrorist or guilty of some sort of violent action against the U.S.
Those articles clearly refute that, as do the actions of the Pentagon in
offering them release whether or not they have some place to go. Several
years late, mind you...
You better check your own attention span since you're conflating "cleared
for release" with the circumstances of theri capture.
Oh, so now you're saying the Pentagon is irresponsibly releasing clearing
them for release?

In case you haven't heard, several sent back from Gitmo have been
captured again or killed in attacks against us.
Cites, please. And even if true, might it not be the case that being held
for years under the conditions imposed would be even to **** anyone off
enough to take up arms?

When I do, will you admit error and ignorance, or will you just keep
spouting lefitst/losertarian bull****?

Boy, you've not only drunk the koolaid, it looks like you've had a full
enema with it.

Gig601XLBuilder wrote:
Rich Ahrens wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
Once again ignoring the fact the Pentagon itself acknowledged that
more than 20 percent of them were innocent of charges and should
be released. But still held onto them.

Cite?

You can find articles from last spring (as I said) with five seconds
of effort on Google. Wikipedia quotes one:

"More than a fifth of the approximately 385 prisoners at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba, have been cleared for release but may have to wait months
or years for their freedom because U.S. officials are finding it
increasingly difficult to line up places to send them..." (Source:
82 Inmates Cleared but Still Held at Guantanamo, by Craig Whitlock,
Washington Post, April 29, 2007.)

That's a nice Washington Post cite, but I asked for one that shows
that the Pentagon has admitted that it's holding innocent men at Gitmo.

RTFA. While I realize you don't believe anything that didn't come
straight from the asses of Faux News, I'm not going to do your
research for you.

There's no country that will take them. What do you expect the pentagon
to do. Dump them in the Atlantic. If they did that then you'd really bitch.

Accept them as refugees and defuse the anger. Of course, that would
effectively admit to having made a mistake in the first place, something
this administration is genetically incapable of.