allowing guns in cockpits

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
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On Jan 9, 10:50*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote
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On Jan 9, 10:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
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On Jan 9, 6:36*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Well, actually, the more immediate concerns are the likelyhood
of a pilot actually stopping a trained soldier with a gun.

Yea, I guess it seems different when you take the argument to
the ridicules extreme.

It isn't a ridiculous extreme. It's the likely scenario in the
event of an

organised hijacking.

So you believe that the ridiculous buffoons who hijacked the planes
on 9/11/01 would not have been stopped by anything less than highly
trained military soldiers??

Nope.

*These guys had box cutters. The only way

they were able to succeed is because we guaranteed them an
environment in which they would encounter minimum resistance.

Yep, that's right. that was our training then. It was thought
appropriate for the safety of the aircaft.
We have different training now. It doesnt involve guns. The vast
majority of pilots realise they are not the answer.

But hey, why am I wasting time writing?

You can't read.

Gee, you caught me. I never learned to read. Its interesting how
someone like me can put together a reasonable, logical possition and
someone like you can read it and not be able to respond with logic or
reason and then believe you are in the right because you have more
emotional investment in the issue.

I responded with logic,. You didn;'t read.


Bertie

Robert M. Gary wrote:


Gee, you caught me. I never learned to read. Its interesting how
someone like me can put together a reasonable, logical possition and
someone like you can read it and not be able to respond with logic or
reason and then believe you are in the right because you have more
emotional investment in the issue.


The vast majority of arguments against gun ownership are not
based on logic or reason at all.

kontiki wrote in news:1H9hj.1758$Sa1.518
@news02.roc.ny:

Robert M. Gary wrote:


Gee, you caught me. I never learned to read. Its interesting how
someone like me can put together a reasonable, logical possition and
someone like you can read it and not be able to respond with logic or
reason and then believe you are in the right because you have more
emotional investment in the issue.


The vast majority of arguments against gun ownership are not
based on logic or reason at all.



Mostly they;re based on dead bodies.


Bertie

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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tim wrote:


What the......

homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants UK = 2.03 and US =
5.6....very polite


What the....

Switzerland has 2/100,000 homicide rate and a very low crime rate overall.

Every male between 21 and 32 are issued an assault rifle and ammo and are
REQUIRED to keep them in their home. Older males may continue in a reserve
function and are issued a bolt operate rifle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm

OTOH, Mexico, with some of the most restrictive controls on earth, has a
rate two or three times the US rate.


Guns don't casuse crime. Poverty causes crime.

Or maybe it's: crime causes poverty. Think about it: who would trust a
criminal in a commercial/financial endeavor?

Think: culture.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
kontiki wrote in news:1H9hj.1758$Sa1.518
@news02.roc.ny:

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Gee, you caught me. I never learned to read. Its interesting how
someone like me can put together a reasonable, logical possition and
someone like you can read it and not be able to respond with logic or
reason and then believe you are in the right because you have more
emotional investment in the issue.

The vast majority of arguments against gun ownership are not
based on logic or reason at all.



Mostly they;re based on dead bodies.


You just proved my point.

"tim" wrote in message
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On Jan 9, 2:55 pm, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had to.
but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to stem
violent
crime.

Why not? An armed society is a polite society.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com
http://www.tronguy.nethttp://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff athttp://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

}Guy's
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}What the......
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}homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants UK = 2.03 and US =
}5.6....very polite

England is neither armed, nor polite. It's violent crime rate, in the midst
of disarming the population, is SKYROCKETING.

Back to the drawing board.

kontiki wrote in news:fZ9hj.1763$Sa1.1377
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
kontiki wrote in news:1H9hj.1758$Sa1.518
@news02.roc.ny:

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Gee, you caught me. I never learned to read. Its interesting how
someone like me can put together a reasonable, logical possition and
someone like you can read it and not be able to respond with logic or
reason and then believe you are in the right because you have more
emotional investment in the issue.

The vast majority of arguments against gun ownership are not
based on logic or reason at all.



Mostly they;re based on dead bodies.


You just proved my point.


I wasn;t arguing your point.


Not that you;'re correct, of course.


Bertie

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
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"tim" wrote in message
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.. On Jan 9, 2:55 pm, Jay Maynard
wrote:
On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had
to. but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to
stem violent
crime.

Why not? An armed society is a polite society.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com
http://www.tronguy.nethttp://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff athttp://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

}Guy's
}
}What the......
}
}homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants UK = 2.03 and US =
}5.6....very polite

England is neither armed, nor polite. It's violent crime rate, in the
midst of disarming the population, is SKYROCKETING.

They;re not in the midst of disarming the population. on the contrary.


Back to the drawing board.

What, going to find some more disingenuous info there?

Bertie

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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There has yet to be, at least that I can find, a single case of the holder
of a CCW permit using his/her firearm in any way other than in legal self
defense. There is no good reason that a citizen of this country who has no
criminal history and has passed a training program shouldn't be allowed to
protect himself.

Why should he have to go beg the state for permission to protect himself?

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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There has yet to be, at least that I can find, a single case of the
holder of a CCW permit using his/her firearm in any way other than in
legal self defense. There is no good reason that a citizen of this
country who has no criminal history and has passed a training program
shouldn't be allowed to protect himself.

Why should he have to go beg the state for permission to protect
himself?

Good grief.


Bertie