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Old January 16th 08, 05:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Jan 16, 10:39 am, Mxsmanic wrote:

Travel is not my objective. In fact, it's one of the things I don't like
about flying for real. One of the practical aspects of simulation is that I
don't have to actually go anywhere when flying.


I suppose you simulate work, trips to the dentist, and exercise since
those are things you don't like?

MSFS may be entertaining, or even quasi-informative, but "practical"
is not an appropriate adjective.


Speak for yourself.


Asserting that flight simulation is "practical" for no apparent useful
function is unreasonable.

Dan



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Old January 16th 08, 07:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Jan 17, 3:20 am, " wrote:

"Useful" and "Practical" only apply in support of some other function.
A manure shovel is not practical or useful in surgery, but it is very
practical and useful in a barn or a newsgroup.


Finally some-one has put the two together.
Anthony and manure shovel operator
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Old January 16th 08, 02:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Practical? It sure is, it's the most covenient way to get from here to
here. Or there to there.





On Jan 16, 9:12*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
You can run one tank dry in a Bonanza and have the other at 35 gallons
and only need 1/4 twist of the aileron trim to keep things balanced.


1/4 twist = 1/4 rotation of the knob (90 degrees of rotation)?

If that's true, then I suppose the weight of the pilot must be far less
significant in comparison.

I doubt there is a Bonanza flying with a "Both" selection.


I've seen pictures of selectors with a "both" position, although apparently
they don't come that way from the factory. *Odd that such a position isn't
standard. *Dreamfleet puts such a selector in its Bonanza (one of the very few
departures from reality) because MSFS supposedly exaggerates fuel imbalances.
I always leave it in that position.

If you're "flying" in MSFS, the aerodynamic positive stability
tendencies are exaggerated to make it less off putting for non-pilots.


They may be for the default aircraft, but not necessarily for add-ons, which
handle very differently from the default aircraft. *The best add-ons make such
a large difference that it's like flying an entirely new simulator.

I can always tell when I'm flying with a MSFS Pilot -- they flare
high, fixate on the instruments, and have poor coordination.


I can always tell when a real pilot of small aircraft is flying the sim,
because he doesn't know what most of the instruments are for, can't fly safely
in IMC, and can't land the plane without an accident because he depends on the
seat of his pants for everything.

The real value to a real pilot of MSFS is practicing certain (albeit
limited) procedures, lesson preview and review, approach practice, and
assistance in acquiring an ear for ATC communications.


You're not really flying, though.


It's good enough for me, and it's very practical.


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Old January 16th 08, 02:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:

I've seen pictures of selectors with a "both" position, although apparently
they don't come that way from the factory. Odd that such a position isn't
standard. Dreamfleet puts such a selector in its Bonanza (one of the very few
departures from reality) because MSFS supposedly exaggerates fuel imbalances.
I always leave it in that position.


Please point me to such a picture. I've never seen one.

I want you to do an easy experiment that will show you the problem with
a non gravity feed system that uses a "both" position.

Take a glass of water and two drinking straws. Put one of the straws in
the water and hold the other out side of the glass. Now put both straws
in your mouth and suck. Unless you are doing something to block the
straw that isn't in the water you will find it very hard to get a drink.
The same thing happens with a non gravity feed fuel system in the "both"
mode.
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Old January 16th 08, 03:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote in
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Mxsmanic wrote:

I've seen pictures of selectors with a "both" position, although
apparently they don't come that way from the factory. Odd that such
a position isn't standard. Dreamfleet puts such a selector in its
Bonanza (one of the very few departures from reality) because MSFS
supposedly exaggerates fuel imbalances. I always leave it in that
position.


Please point me to such a picture. I've never seen one.

I want you to do an easy experiment that will show you the problem
with a non gravity feed system that uses a "both" position.

Take a glass of water and two drinking straws. Put one of the straws
in the water and hold the other out side of the glass. Now put both
straws in your mouth and suck. Unless you are doing something to block
the straw that isn't in the water you will find it very hard to get a
drink. The same thing happens with a non gravity feed fuel system in
the "both"
mode.




Xactly. I know of an RV6 where they installed a selector with a both"
position "in the interest of safety" How it got past the DAR I have no
idea, but it crashed on it's second flight........


Bertie
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Old January 16th 08, 03:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

I want you to do an easy experiment that will show you the problem with
a non gravity feed system that uses a "both" position.

Take a glass of water and two drinking straws. Put one of the straws in
the water and hold the other out side of the glass. Now put both straws
in your mouth and suck. Unless you are doing something to block the
straw that isn't in the water you will find it very hard to get a drink.
The same thing happens with a non gravity feed fuel system in the "both"
mode.


Add a fuel pump.
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Old January 16th 08, 04:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

I want you to do an easy experiment that will show you the problem
with a non gravity feed system that uses a "both" position.

Take a glass of water and two drinking straws. Put one of the straws
in the water and hold the other out side of the glass. Now put both
straws in your mouth and suck. Unless you are doing something to
block the straw that isn't in the water you will find it very hard to
get a drink. The same thing happens with a non gravity feed fuel
system in the "both" mode.


Add a fuel pump.


Moron.


Bertie
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Old January 16th 08, 04:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Hi,

In article ,
wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

I want you to do an easy experiment that will show you the problem with
a non gravity feed system that uses a "both" position.

Take a glass of water and two drinking straws. Put one of the straws in
the water and hold the other out side of the glass. Now put both straws
in your mouth and suck. Unless you are doing something to block the
straw that isn't in the water you will find it very hard to get a drink.
The same thing happens with a non gravity feed fuel system in the "both"
mode.


Add a fuel pump.


You sucking provides the analog to the fuel pump.

Andy

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Old January 16th 08, 05:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Weight and balance, ballast, trim when flying alone

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

I want you to do an easy experiment that will show you the problem with
a non gravity feed system that uses a "both" position.

Take a glass of water and two drinking straws. Put one of the straws in
the water and hold the other out side of the glass. Now put both straws
in your mouth and suck. Unless you are doing something to block the
straw that isn't in the water you will find it very hard to get a drink.
The same thing happens with a non gravity feed fuel system in the "both"
mode.


Add a fuel pump.


Where would you place the fuel pump to deal with the problem?
 




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