Europe as joke

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:18:51 -0500, John Penta wrote:

Um, what's JASSM?

Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missile
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/jassm.htm

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

BUFDRVR wrote:

2 of the 4 zones are under European command with thousands upon
thousands of troops in theatre from over a dozen European nations.. If
that's minimal, what were you expecting?


I don't believe your "thousands upon thousands" makes up 10% of the total
force. I believe we were hoping for (not expecting) closer to 25-33%.


If you mean French and German forces aren't there, say so, please
don't tar us all with the same brush since there are more than 2
countries on the continent.


The European nation involved are much appreciated and their contribution is not
taken lightly, however, if it were not for the two nations named above, their
would be much greater (in numbers) European involvement.



Possibly, but what do you really expect from France and Germany? They
were vehemently opposed to this war, they said it was a bad idea and
that Saddam didn't represent a acute threat. They said that invading
Iraq would lead to trouble and wouldn't help a damn in the war against
terrorism and have in their own view been proven right on all accounts.
Now you'd expect them to send troops there nonetheless? That's expecting
the impossible.

In fact, at least according to an opinion poll in this morning's
newspaper, right now there only is one EU country in which a majority of
the people aren't opposed to sending troops (namely Denmark). In all EU
countries that sent troops (Including Spain, the UK and The Netherlands)
the majority of the population is against it. Of course, opinion polls
should be taken with a grain of salt (though politicians certainly watch
them) but the US ought to consider itself lucky that at least some of
those countries sent troops, if not for the numbers but for a semblance
of international support.

Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:28:09 -0500, Yeff wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:18:51 -0500, John Penta wrote:

Um, what's JASSM?

Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missile
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/jassm.htm

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Thanks Jeff!

Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.


What the EU has pledged does not include what individual members
pledge as well, googling about a bit:

$835m from Britain
$300m from Spain
$174m from Italy
$110m from Germany
$32.6m from Sweden
$5.9m from Belgium

with the $235m from the EU you get a total of about $1.7 billion. Not
the same as $20 Billion but better than $235m.

The 2002 EU budget for foreign aid was only $785m so guessing $235m
would be about the most they can do with out rearranging the 2003
budget which would probably take years to agree.

Couldn't find anything on French contributions.

Cheers

Gareth

The question is Irak,not Yougoslavia.


"BUFDRVR" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
You destruct Irak, Why we must pay ?

You were unable to handle a uniquely European problem in the Balkans, why
must
we continue to pay?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Reading your posts,i realise you'r still the most stupid person
here,Mr.Irby.

"Chad Irby" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
In article ,
Roman J. Rohleder wrote:

(BUFDRVR) schrieb:

You were unable to handle a uniquely European problem in the
Balkans, why must we continue to pay?

Since when is a genocide a "uniquely European problem"?

Well, it's much more *professional* in Europe....

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

But we did NOT agree with you in Iraq.Is it really completely impossible for
an american to accept other peoples not to agree with them?
You don't cease telling here day after day,stupidity after stupidity,post
after post,you don't need us,we are weak,we are stupid,we are useless,
we are unable,and so on...
Okay,if that's what you think!
But now that you're asking for assistance,just open your mind enough,if
that's possible,to admit we have difficulties in accepting.
Nevertheless,we let your resolution be accepted in th UN a few weeks
ago,even if we did not agree with it,in order not to create you more
difficulties that you have.
Still,why do you need assistance from people like us?we are uselless you say
in the same time...nothing is coherent.

Whatever we do,or don't,whatever we say,or don't,we are wrong,and insulted
to be so!Is it the right way to treat countries you need assistance from you
know.
The true is really simple.You only agre with people that agree with you,and
obey,even when you're wrong!


"BUFDRVR" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
It is irresponsible to act like this. And imorale.

You're kidding right? Ethnic cleansing in Europe is a problem worthy of
every
nations best efforts and money, but religious and ethnic persecution in
Asia
(Iraq) is absolutely fine?

NO! My statesments included these from the first posting on. This
includes Ruanda as much as Liberia, Indonesia (East Timor),
Zaire/Kongo, or any other place. Acting differently means to apply
double standards. And in fact, government on both sides of the large,
cold pond did apply double standards.

Where did I write to exclude these? Don´t read too much between the
lines. Too much guessing involved.

No, what was happening in Iraq was as tragic as the FRY, yet with the
exception
of the UK, Poland and a few other eastern European nations Europe was
disinterested in helping and quite interested in preventing its
termination.
Now that the force-on-force battles are over, the US asks for assistance
and
western Europe (save the UK) again turns its back *yet* at the same time
demands US forces remain to help in the Balkans. Its ludicrous.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"Ralph Savelsberg" a écrit dans le message de
news: ...


BUFDRVR wrote:

2 of the 4 zones are under European command with thousands upon
thousands of troops in theatre from over a dozen European nations.. If
that's minimal, what were you expecting?


I don't believe your "thousands upon thousands" makes up 10% of the
total
force. I believe we were hoping for (not expecting) closer to 25-33%.


If you mean French and German forces aren't there, say so, please
don't tar us all with the same brush since there are more than 2
countries on the continent.


The European nation involved are much appreciated and their contribution
is not
taken lightly, however, if it were not for the two nations named above,
their
would be much greater (in numbers) European involvement.



Possibly, but what do you really expect from France and Germany? They
were vehemently opposed to this war, they said it was a bad idea and
that Saddam didn't represent a acute threat. They said that invading
Iraq would lead to trouble and wouldn't help a damn in the war against
terrorism and have in their own view been proven right on all accounts.
Now you'd expect them to send troops there nonetheless? That's expecting
the impossible.

In fact, at least according to an opinion poll in this morning's
newspaper, right now there only is one EU country in which a majority of
the people aren't opposed to sending troops (namely Denmark). In all EU
countries that sent troops (Including Spain, the UK and The Netherlands)
the majority of the population is against it. Of course, opinion polls
should be taken with a grain of salt (though politicians certainly watch
them) but the US ought to consider itself lucky that at least some of
those countries sent troops, if not for the numbers but for a semblance
of international support.

Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg


Waouh!!Someone telling something clear,true,coherent and clever here!

Is it because you were ready to die for Europe that you didn't send any
single troop on the ground during the whole real conflict?...




"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:45:55 +0200, Roman J. Rohleder
wrote:

Alan Minyard schrieb:

It is a EU problem, let the EU fix it. You cannot expect the US to act
like
a servant of the EU. You do not support us, you can go to hell when
you want help.

You didn´t read what I posted before, did you?

It is irresponsible to act like this. And imorale.

Al Minyard

Gruss, Roman

It is perfectly responsible and morale. What is not is the Europeans
expecting the US to bail you out every time you make a mess
of things and then tell us what bad people we are. From now
on, you make a mess, you clean it up. It is time for US troops
to stop dying for Europe. If you want to defend yourselves for
a change, fine, if not then you can fall to whatever mullah/dictator
is next. We no longer care.

Al Minyard

****ing anti-semite...



"Autocollimator" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
Subject: Europe as joke
From: (Grantland)
Date: 10/25/03 5:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

(Autocollimator) wrote:

Subject: Europe as joke
From: (Grantland)
Date: 10/25/03 2:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Stupid ****ing yank. ****ing moron.

Grantland

Next time the Kauts have you by the throats don't come whining to us

Hey I'm South African. And we expect no help from your filthy,
corrupt, Jew-owned government when the chips are down. You ****ing
brainwashed, moronic sack of ****. You are hated by the world. And
it's got nothing to do with "jealousy". Death to Amerika.
Mother****ers.

Grantland


South African? That is a Brit that coculdn't quite make it. But you sound
more
like an Arab to me. Sure you are not an Arab and ashamed of it?