A BFR question

Dallas wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:47 -0800, BT wrote:

They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

BT, I was under the impression that a military pilot didn't need an FAA
certificate to fly in the military. Was this an incorrect assumption?

No.

The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.

--
Jim Pennino

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On Jan 22, 9:45*pm, wrote:

The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.

Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA
certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP
qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a
Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional
check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying.

-robert, CFII and USAF Aux Check Pilot

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jan 22, 9:45?pm, wrote:

The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.

Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA
certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP
qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a
Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional
check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying.

Well, yeah, since the CAP isn't military and the members aren't part of
the Armed Forces.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Jan 23, 9:45*am, wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

On Jan 22, 9:45?pm, wrote:
The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.
Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA
certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP
qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a
Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional
check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying.

Well, yeah, since the CAP isn't military and the members aren't part of
the Armed Forces.

CAP is a military auxillary. All procedures and processes (including
AF checkrides) are dictated by the USAF. If you don't want to follow
USAF check out and currency procedures you cannot fly USAF owned
aircraft for CAP.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jan 23, 9:45?am, wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

On Jan 22, 9:45?pm, wrote:
The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.
Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA
certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP
qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a
Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional
check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying.

Well, yeah, since the CAP isn't military and the members aren't part of
the Armed Forces.

CAP is a military auxillary. All procedures and processes (including
AF checkrides) are dictated by the USAF. If you don't want to follow
USAF check out and currency procedures you cannot fly USAF owned
aircraft for CAP.

That wan't meant as a put down of the CAP, merely a statement of fact.

Since CAP members are civilians, they have to meet FAA requirements.

Since the USAF is paying the tab, the USAF imposes it's own additional
requirements.

What's the problem?


--
Jim Pennino

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True.. and then the CAP grounds you for missing a safety meeting. WAIT...
WHAT SAFETY MEETING...
The one we had last week.... AND DID YOU TELL ME ABOUT IT??? aahh... No..
the email did not go announcing the meeting.. it was "word of mouth"... but
you are grounded anyway for missing the meeting.. until you make it up..

Ohh.. and another thing.. the online requirements to prepare for a Form5
ride are complete, but the check pilot does not take action. "He's too
busy".. so it expires... have to "re do"...

And people wonder why I left CAP.

BT
USAF RET

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 9:45 pm, wrote:

The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.

Yea, in CAP we have to meet both. We have to maintain our FAA
certificate to fly the AF owned aircraft and also maintain our CAP
qualifications (similar to the regular AF's). So you need to have a
Form 5 check every 12 months with a check pilot and need additional
check for things like instrument, night, and certain types of flying.

-robert, CFII and USAF Aux Check Pilot

On Jan 23, 4:18*pm, "BT" wrote:
True.. and then the CAP grounds you for missing a safety meeting. WAIT...
WHAT SAFETY MEETING...
The one we had last week.... AND DID YOU TELL ME ABOUT IT??? aahh... No..
the email did not go announcing the meeting.. it was "word of mouth"... *but
you are grounded anyway for missing the meeting.. until you make it up..

Ohh.. and another thing.. the online requirements to prepare for a Form5
ride are complete, but the check pilot does not take action. "He's too
busy".. so it expires... have to "re do"...

And people wonder why I left CAP.

All true. When you combine the paperwork requirements of the AF with
volunteers things often work at the speed of nothing. Things are
getting better in that most of the approvals are now done online and
they require less actual paperwork be sent around.
The biggest issue we have in the Pacific region is reimbersements. You
get up at 1AM to fly a mission and then put $300 worth of avgas on
your credit card but then have to wait 6 months for a check. At one
point we were told we would be allowed to use a CAP credit card, then
told we weren't, then told we were, etc. To date no cards have shown
up so when the truck pulls up the the "U.S. Airforce Auxillary" plane
you still pull out your personal credit card.

-Robert

On Jan 23, 7:18 pm, "BT" wrote:


And people wonder why I left CAP.

BT
USAF RET

I'm retired military also and get frustrated with CAP as well. But,
you have to keep in mind most of the people you deal with are
volunteers. CAP is what we do in spare time -- and spare time is what
busy people who can afford to fly have very little of.

In some ways it is no different than being an officer -- you have to
be your own admin, finance, logistics, maintenance, and operations
clerk on the side if you want to get things done.

Dan

And people wonder why I left CAP.

Yep, Joe and I left it, too -- mostly for reasons described here.

In fact, our whole squadron dissolved because of this kind of stuff. You
just can't get anything *done* in CAP without filling out tons of pointless
paperwork -- and that applies to everything, from moving the squadron's van
(from one parking spot to another), all the way up to getting an aircraft.
Eventually you just throw up your hands and move on.

It takes a very, very patient pilot, with virtually unlimited amounts of
time, to thrive in CAP.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Jan 26, 5:27*am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

It takes a very, very patient pilot, with virtually unlimited amounts of
time, to thrive in CAP.

Or a really great squadron. We're fortunate in ours to have one that
is very well run with lots of people working so that no one individual
gets stuck trying to work though all the things you mentioned. I
believe we have two people who just manage the paperwork associated
with equipment. We have a refrigerator that we no longer want but
because its not dead we can't toss it out or donate it. We had 3 guys
volunteer to go down on a Monday afternoon and return it to the
Airforce. Most people in the squadron hold one main job and at least
one back up job. Luckily I've not been asked to do anything other than
serve as check pilot. I get to wear a cool "Flight Examiner" patch
and just fly. I'm not sure if this is typical or not but only about
10% of our adult members are pilots, so that may help fill the non-
piloting duties.

-Robert