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October 30th 03, 01:16 PM
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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message ... Keith Willshaw wrote: "Leah Lidtorf" wrote in message Better than modern jets.Biplanes are planes for real knights of the sky.Improved Biplanes could be better than most jets. Jets are ****. Ah an Aussie troll and a VERY poor one Score 1/10 for picking the right newsgroup. Ahh, but think how many jet engines could be bolted on to all those extra wings! Its been done http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=3754 Keith 
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October 30th 03, 02:31 PM
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Keith Willshaw wrote: "Stephen Harding" wrote in message ... Keith Willshaw wrote: "Leah Lidtorf" wrote in message Better than modern jets.Biplanes are planes for real knights of the sky.Improved Biplanes could be better than most jets. Jets are ****. Ah an Aussie troll and a VERY poor one Score 1/10 for picking the right newsgroup. Ahh, but think how many jet engines could be bolted on to all those extra wings! Its been done http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=3754 Not just then, either. The VVS trialled (and may have even operated) Polikarpov i153s with ramjet assisters, and certainly flew i15bis and i153s in combat equipped with rockets for air-ground and air-air use. None of it worked that well, but it's been done. -- Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas)
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October 30th 03, 05:56 PM
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Keith Willshaw wrote:
"Stephen Harding" wrote in message Keith Willshaw wrote: "Leah Lidtorf" wrote in message Better than modern jets.Biplanes are planes for real knights of the sky.Improved Biplanes could be better than most jets. Jets are ****. Ah an Aussie troll and a VERY poor one Score 1/10 for picking the right newsgroup. Ahh, but think how many jet engines could be bolted on to all those extra wings! Its been done http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=3754 Dang! In the US, GE has a commercial on TV with pseudo-old film footage showing the Wright brothers Flyer taking off at Kitty Hawk with an extremely large, GE jet engine bolted to its top wing. Looks like a thrilling ride! SMH
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October 30th 03, 11:14 PM
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Stephen Harding wrote:
Keith Willshaw wrote: Its been done http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=3754 Dang! In the US, GE has a commercial on TV with pseudo-old film footage showing the Wright brothers Flyer taking off at Kitty Hawk with an extremely large, GE jet engine bolted to its top wing. Looks like a thrilling ride! The "Starfighters" F-104 demo team based out of my hometown (Clearwater, FL) and the jet-powered Waco bipe in the link above that Keith posted are my two fave airplanes at Sun 'n Fun. Another very cool photo is the *turboprop* ULTRALIGHT shown in the link below: http://www.davisstraub.com/OZ/toc.php?6.92 Scroll down to the bottom to view the pic. Very cool!
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October 30th 03, 11:56 PM
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The "Starfighters" F-104 demo team based out of my hometown (Clearwater, FL) snip Do you happen to know if Wolfgang Czaia is still a pilot of one of those 104s? He is my favorite aviator - flown everything from ****cans with wings to F-84s and Zippers. Great guy! v/r Gordon
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October 31st 03, 11:09 AM
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:14:44 GMT, Mike Marron
wrote: The "Starfighters" F-104 demo team based out of my hometown (Clearwater, FL) and the jet-powered Waco bipe in the link above that Keith posted are my two fave airplanes at Sun 'n Fun. Another very cool photo is the *turboprop* ULTRALIGHT shown in the link below: http://www.davisstraub.com/OZ/toc.php?6.92 Scroll down to the bottom to view the pic. Very cool! Thats a *small* engine. Any ideas what it is ? The thoughts of a 3-400 horse turbine on something that small just boggles the mind. greg -- $ReplyAddress =~ s#\@.*$##; # Delete everything after the '@' The Following is a true story..... Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.
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October 31st 03, 03:34 PM
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Greg Hennessy wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: The "Starfighters" F-104 demo team based out of my hometown (Clearwater, FL) and the jet-powered Waco bipe in the link above that Keith posted are my two fave airplanes at Sun 'n Fun. Another very cool photo is the *turboprop* ULTRALIGHT shown in the link below: http://www.davisstraub.com/OZ/toc.php?6.92 Scroll down to the bottom to view the pic. Very cool! Thats a *small* engine. Any ideas what it is ? The thoughts of a 3-400 horse turbine on something that small just boggles the mind. It's a Rotax/Lucas gas turbine APU (used on early Harriers, I think) that develops 80 hp at 55,000 rpms (my reciprocating Rotax 912 engine on my trike develops the exact same hp at 5800 rpms). The little turbine only weighs about 70 lbs. but guzzles down the kerosene at approx. 200 lbs. per hr. Has an inflight adjustable prop (as opposed to a constant-speed prop) and just like the big boys it also has beta range, meaning it can reverse pitch. If one can afford the engine and the fuel to feed it, I suppose it's a great little engine for high density altitude ops and/or towing gliders up to FL180 (any higher and you need to file IFR, of course). But turbines aren't a very practical powerplant at all for most light A/C that spend the majority of their time operating down low 'n slow in the weeds. Here's a bit more about the turboprop UL if you're interested. Scroll down to the third article: http://www.davisstraub.com/OZ/Ozv6n101.htm
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October 31st 03, 06:37 PM
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:34:20 GMT, Mike Marron
wrote: Scroll down to the bottom to view the pic. Very cool! Thats a *small* engine. Any ideas what it is ? The thoughts of a 3-400 horse turbine on something that small just boggles the mind. It's a Rotax/Lucas gas turbine APU (used on early Harriers, I think) that develops 80 hp at 55,000 rpms (my reciprocating Rotax 912 engine on my trike develops the exact same hp at 5800 rpms). The little turbine only weighs about 70 lbs. but guzzles down the kerosene at approx. 200 lbs. per hr. I had visions of some hero hanging a 3-400 horse ex jetranger alison on there. Has an inflight adjustable prop (as opposed to a constant-speed prop) and just like the big boys it also has beta range, meaning it can reverse pitch. Interesting. Make a short landing run even shorter. greg -- $ReplyAddress =~ s#\@.*$##; # Delete everything after the '@' The Following is a true story..... Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.
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October 31st 03, 03:36 AM
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Its been done
Have those of you who live in the States seen the tv commercial in which General Electric tries to bask in the reflected glory of the Wright Brothers by strapping one of their jet engines to the Wright Flier? vince norris
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#10
October 31st 03, 05:49 AM
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"Stephen Harding" wrote in message ... Keith Willshaw wrote: "Leah Lidtorf" wrote in message Better than modern jets.Biplanes are planes for real knights of the sky.Improved Biplanes could be better than most jets. Jets are ****. Ah an Aussie troll and a VERY poor one Score 1/10 for picking the right newsgroup. Ahh, but think how many jet engines could be bolted on to all those extra wings! Its been done http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=3754 Keith The very first jet WAS a bi-plane: http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/His...aAeroplane.htm Rob
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