commercial low-flight safety

Dudley Henriques wrote:

It's funny about Usenet. I read your post and noted the Cheney reference
and didn't take it to be political at all; simply a metaphor to add a
closing touch of humor. I do this myself all the time.



Hell, I like Cheney and given that he deer hunts at one of the ranches
in TX where I have hunted a time or two and will probably hunt again I
can tell you that I will be damn sure I know where his gun is pointing
if we are ever there at the same time.

On Jan 28, 12:35*pm, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
It's funny about Usenet. I read your post and noted the Cheney reference
and didn't take it to be political at all; simply a metaphor to add *a
closing touch of humor. I do this myself all the time.

Hell, I like Cheney and given that he deer hunts at one of the ranches
in TX where I have hunted a time or two and will probably hunt again I
can tell you that I will be damn sure I know where his gun is pointing
if we are ever there at the same time.

Or any hunter. I've not yet met any fellow hunters who find fault in
anyone in his situation. It was an unfortunate thing, like an engine
failure on short final. Something to give pause but not blame.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jan 28, 12:35 pm, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
It's funny about Usenet. I read your post and noted the Cheney reference
and didn't take it to be political at all; simply a metaphor to add a
closing touch of humor. I do this myself all the time.
Hell, I like Cheney and given that he deer hunts at one of the ranches
in TX where I have hunted a time or two and will probably hunt again I
can tell you that I will be damn sure I know where his gun is pointing
if we are ever there at the same time.

Or any hunter. I've not yet met any fellow hunters who find fault in
anyone in his situation. It was an unfortunate thing, like an engine
failure on short final. Something to give pause but not blame.

-Robert


I agree. I've always felt felt that the pickup on the Chaney incident
was totally unfair and completely political, regardless of the side
speaking out.
I'm positive as is anyone who has seriously hunted or handled firearms
in their life that Chaney simply made a mistake as many of us have made
mistakes. I'm also positive that his concern for his friend's life was
genuine and that what happened that day galvanized him so that for the
rest of his natural born days, he'll NEVER point a firearm anywhere else
but where it should be pointed.
Chaney was extremely lucky to be given a second chance. I know about
these things as I once made a near fatal error myself and was the
recipient of one of those second chances in life.
Those who would enjoy the pain of someone as they suffer through an
experience like that suffered by Chaney for some political agenda are in
my book beyond human feeling as I know it anyway.

--
Dudley Henriques

Robert M. Gary wrote:


Or any hunter. I've not yet met any fellow hunters who find fault in
anyone in his situation. It was an unfortunate thing, like an engine
failure on short final. Something to give pause but not blame.

-Robert

Interesting.
All the hunters I know feel the contrary. Shouldn't have happened. Simple
failure of firing discipline.

Most of 'ems elk, bear, deer and antelope killers tho'.
Maybe bird guys are differnt.

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Kloudy via AviationKB.com wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

Or any hunter. I've not yet met any fellow hunters who find fault in
anyone in his situation. It was an unfortunate thing, like an engine
failure on short final. Something to give pause but not blame.

-Robert

Interesting.
All the hunters I know feel the contrary. Shouldn't have happened. Simple
failure of firing discipline.

Most of 'ems elk, bear, deer and antelope killers tho'.
Maybe bird guys are differnt.


It was a mistake on the VP's part but yes bird hunting is much different
than hunting for larger mammals. The main thing is that you are seldom
ever doing to be swinging and firing at the same time when shooting at
deer not to mention there is usually no another hunter changing position
behind and beside you when you are hunting deer, elk etc...

Both of those things happen all the time when bird hunting.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:


be swinging and firing at the same time when shooting at
another hunter changing position... behind and beside you

Both of those things happen all the time when bird hunting.

Yikes.
Sounds like fun.....NOT.

yeah I can understand the situation.
Tight quarters, fast moving targets, beer. ; -]

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Kloudy via AviationKB.com wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

be swinging and firing at the same time when shooting at
another hunter changing position... behind and beside you

Both of those things happen all the time when bird hunting.

Yikes.
Sounds like fun.....NOT.

yeah I can understand the situation.
Tight quarters, fast moving targets, beer. ; -]



Just like flying. Never drink until after.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message

yeah I can understand the situation.
Tight quarters, fast moving targets, beer. ; -]

Just like flying. Never drink until after.

Sad that it doesn't seem to go that way anymore.

My folks don't hunt anymore because they kept running into people's trash,
which almost always includes beer cans. Ironically, most recently they
found them on opening day, after bow-hunting season had just closed. So it
wasn't the rifle-hunters, but the bow so-called "sportsmen." Traditionally,
people might expect the opposite to be true.

Maybe in the old days kids received weapon safety training more commonly
(4-H, etc), so the values were instilled very early on. Nowadays I don't
think people receive a fraction of the exposure to weapons and hunting as
before.

'Course, that could be nostalgia.

-c

Interesting.
All the hunters I know feel the contrary. Shouldn't have happened. Simple
failure of firing discipline.

It was a mistake on the VP's part but yes bird hunting is much different
than hunting for larger mammals. The main thing is that you are seldom
ever doing to be swinging and firing at the same time when shooting at
deer not to mention there is usually no another hunter changing position
behind and beside you when you are hunting deer, elk etc...

Both of those things happen all the time when bird hunting.

I see it both ways, too. Mostly as a lack of gun discipline, though.

That said, there is nothing like walking through a field, with clumps of
grass and vegetation all around, you've seen nothing all day, but suddenly,
in amongst your buddies and all seemingly all around you, the air is full of
quail on the wing.

It has a tendency to: scare the crap out of you, confuse you, and not least
of all - make you think that surely all you have to do is pull the trigger,
and at least one bird will be brought down.

The last thing is what has to be avoided, and remembered at all times. You
only pull the trigger when you _know_ what you are pointed at, and that you
will bringing down a bird and nothing else.
--
Jim in NC

If it is a federal/state flyway or hunting area then it is protected
against low flights... Better check with the DNR before going low...
Usually 1500 feet or more AGL is required...
If it is not a protected game area under federal or state regs then
basic open country FAA rules apply - 500 feet from buildings, people,
etc... It doesn't have to be 500 vertically, just 500 feet away...
If the ducks are present, then think about how you will handle taking
one through the windscreen, before screaming across the fields..
A bit of thinking it through ahead of time will save a lot of hassle
later...

denny