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February 2nd 08, 08:32 PM
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: [...] When I'm flying at an uncontrolled field and I hear another pilot use "IFR terminology" to describe his position I know exactly where he is. No -- you know where he says he is. That may not even be where he thinks he is, let alone where he actually is (said from personal experience). When I hear another pilot use a direction and distance from the field without knowing how he determined his position I know where he THINKS he is, but not where he ACTUALLY is. They may be the same point or they may be far apart. There's no way to know. Ditto for the IFR case. Hamish 
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February 3rd 08, 03:16 PM
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
"Hamish Reid" wrote in message ... No -- you know where he says he is. That may not even be where he thinks he is, let alone where he actually is (said from personal experience). He will be and say where his instruments indicate him to be. Ditto for the IFR case. Wrong.
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February 4th 08, 04:16 PM
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: "Hamish Reid" wrote in message ... No -- you know where he says he is. That may not even be where he thinks he is, let alone where he actually is (said from personal experience). He will be and say where his instruments indicate him to be. How so? Ditto for the IFR case. Wrong. How so? Hamish
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February 4th 08, 05:19 PM
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
"Hamish Reid" wrote in message ... He will be and say where his instruments indicate him to be. How so? Read FAA-H-8083-15 and FAA-H-8261-1A
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February 5th 08, 05:32 PM
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: "Hamish Reid" wrote in message ... He will be and say where his instruments indicate him to be. How so? Read FAA-H-8083-15 and FAA-H-8261-1A I'll take that as a tacit admission that you know as well as I do that *any* position report at an uncontrolled field should be regarded with skepticism, regardless of whether it's done using instruments or estimated visually. Rather than knowing "exactly where he is" when you "hear another pilot use 'IFR terminology' to describe his position (your words), given the mistakes pilots (even instrumented-rated pilots) and / or controllers make, and the various errors possible in any instrument system, you really only have some idea where he says he is. Having more than once heard confident and wrong position reports on CTAF from (presumably) instrument-rated pilots on practice approaches, maybe I'm just a little less credulous than you... Hamish
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