40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all.

(Longtailedlizard) wrote:

Mike,
If I may offer why I don't think "Art" and "Auto" are not, one and the same,
First off, I'm a regular reader but not much of a participant. I enjoy
reading the different posts, offering many different veiwpoints and opinions.
"Art" has been posting here for some years now, although I don't agree with
him at times, I enjoy reading about his life and times at war.
Many WWII veterans are departing us, its not only important for US history
but World history to hear it first hand from someone who was there. I knew many
WWII veterans, most are departed, including dad and my uncle. But like most
WWII veterans, they never talked about it, most I heard was from mom, "daddy
seen alot of bad stuff", or yes or no answers from dad and uncle themselves.
Its only "after" its to late do you hear about what they did or what
happened.
How many times I picked up the paper only to read so and so passed away, and a
"oh! wow" I did'nt know he was a paratooper, Marine, gunner aboard the Gamblier
Bay, etc, etc.
Also, these are old men, technology is sometimes daunting to them. I remember
writing down specific instructions on how to turn on the computer, do this, do
that, just so they could download e-mails with pictures of there grandchildren.
Art is one of the very few, that not only talks about it, but maintains his
own webpage.
Art is extremely pround of what he has done, and rightfully so. And anybody
that has been apart of this newsgroup, has to admit that, lets face it, if you
don't agree with Art, things seem to turn south real quick. Art is very
opinionated, pretty much, that if you have'nt flown in WWII, the soldiers,
sailors, Marines, infantrymen, gunners, submariners, cooks, supply personnel,
etc, etc, etc, aren't worthy somehow.
But anyway, no big deal, we all have faults.
So!!, to offer my proof that Art and Auto are not the same, Auto replied:

Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being there no
matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep 'em flying.

Mike, KEEP 'EM FLYING, is strictly and aircraft mechanics saying, no way in
God's green earth would Art ever stoop slow low as to quote the saying of a
lowlife, yellow, uneducated enlisted aircraft mechanics qoute or as Art calls
them Poogies or something like that.

Great post Liz, much appreciated! This is the one and only RATIONAL
response I've read yet, however, perhaps we should give Kramer a bit
of credit where credit's due here. In other words, simply because he
used a mechanic's saying (e.g: "keep 'em flying") doesn't mean squat.
He may have utilized the saying just to help furthur disguise himself
precisely for the reasons you so astutely pointed out (e.g: make it
seem like "Autocollimator" is some "low life yellow, uneducated
enlisted aircraft mechanic" ain't him).

In article ,
Mike Marron writes:
(Longtailedlizard) wrote:

Mike,
If I may offer why I don't think "Art" and "Auto" are not, one and the same,
First off, I'm a regular reader but not much of a participant. I enjoy
reading the different posts, offering many different veiwpoints and opinions.
"Art" has been posting here for some years now, although I don't agree with
him at times, I enjoy reading about his life and times at war.
Many WWII veterans are departing us, its not only important for US history
but World history to hear it first hand from someone who was there. I knew many
WWII veterans, most are departed, including dad and my uncle. But like most
WWII veterans, they never talked about it, most I heard was from mom, "daddy
seen alot of bad stuff", or yes or no answers from dad and uncle themselves.
Its only "after" its to late do you hear about what they did or what
happened.
How many times I picked up the paper only to read so and so passed away, and a
"oh! wow" I did'nt know he was a paratooper, Marine, gunner aboard the Gamblier
Bay, etc, etc.
Also, these are old men, technology is sometimes daunting to them. I remember
writing down specific instructions on how to turn on the computer, do this, do
that, just so they could download e-mails with pictures of there grandchildren.
Art is one of the very few, that not only talks about it, but maintains his
own webpage.
Art is extremely pround of what he has done, and rightfully so. And anybody
that has been apart of this newsgroup, has to admit that, lets face it, if you
don't agree with Art, things seem to turn south real quick. Art is very
opinionated, pretty much, that if you have'nt flown in WWII, the soldiers,
sailors, Marines, infantrymen, gunners, submariners, cooks, supply personnel,
etc, etc, etc, aren't worthy somehow.
But anyway, no big deal, we all have faults.
So!!, to offer my proof that Art and Auto are not the same, Auto replied:

Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being there no
matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep 'em flying.

Mike, KEEP 'EM FLYING, is strictly and aircraft mechanics saying, no way in
God's green earth would Art ever stoop slow low as to quote the saying of a
lowlife, yellow, uneducated enlisted aircraft mechanics qoute or as Art calls
them Poogies or something like that.

Great post Liz, much appreciated! This is the one and only RATIONAL
response I've read yet, however, perhaps we should give Kramer a bit
of credit where credit's due here. In other words, simply because he
used a mechanic's saying (e.g: "keep 'em flying") doesn't mean squat.
He may have utilized the saying just to help furthur disguise himself
precisely for the reasons you so astutely pointed out (e.g: make it
seem like "Autocollimator" is some "low life yellow, uneducated
enlisted aircraft mechanic" ain't him).

Mike - You're really getting more than a bit thin here.
Next thing you know, you'll be rattling a pair of Ball Bearings in
your hand, reliving the Cheese Incident, and proving, by Geometric
Logic, that the Messboys didn't eat the strawberries.

Are we ging to have to refer to you a "Old Yellowstain?"

Odd thread tie-in here - The Caine Mutiny Court Martial scenes had,
as one of the principal characters, a Pilot acting as a JAG Officer.
A story so twisted, it could only have been written by Art Kramer...
of Herman Wouk.
(Hmm. Maybe Art is actually Herman Wouk? We know he's not Joe Heller
- They've been seen in the same place at the same time.)

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

Subject: 40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all.
From: (Peter Stickney)
Date: 11/1/03 4:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
Mike Marron writes:
(Longtailedlizard) wrote:

Mike,
If I may offer why I don't think "Art" and "Auto" are not, one and the
same,
First off, I'm a regular reader but not much of a participant. I enjoy
reading the different posts, offering many different veiwpoints and
opinions.
"Art" has been posting here for some years now, although I don't agree
with
him at times, I enjoy reading about his life and times at war.
Many WWII veterans are departing us, its not only important for US
history
but World history to hear it first hand from someone who was there. I knew
many
WWII veterans, most are departed, including dad and my uncle. But like most
WWII veterans, they never talked about it, most I heard was from mom,
"daddy
seen alot of bad stuff", or yes or no answers from dad and uncle
themselves.
Its only "after" its to late do you hear about what they did or what
happened.
How many times I picked up the paper only to read so and so passed away,
and a
"oh! wow" I did'nt know he was a paratooper, Marine, gunner aboard the
Gamblier
Bay, etc, etc.
Also, these are old men, technology is sometimes daunting to them. I
remember
writing down specific instructions on how to turn on the computer, do this,
do
that, just so they could download e-mails with pictures of there
grandchildren.
Art is one of the very few, that not only talks about it, but maintains
his
own webpage.
Art is extremely pround of what he has done, and rightfully so. And
anybody
that has been apart of this newsgroup, has to admit that, lets face it, if
you
don't agree with Art, things seem to turn south real quick. Art is very
opinionated, pretty much, that if you have'nt flown in WWII, the soldiers,
sailors, Marines, infantrymen, gunners, submariners, cooks, supply
personnel,
etc, etc, etc, aren't worthy somehow.
But anyway, no big deal, we all have faults.
So!!, to offer my proof that Art and Auto are not the same, Auto replied:

Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being there
no
matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep 'em flying.

Mike, KEEP 'EM FLYING, is strictly and aircraft mechanics saying, no way in
God's green earth would Art ever stoop slow low as to quote the saying of a
lowlife, yellow, uneducated enlisted aircraft mechanics qoute or as Art
calls
them Poogies or something like that.

Great post Liz, much appreciated! This is the one and only RATIONAL
response I've read yet, however, perhaps we should give Kramer a bit
of credit where credit's due here. In other words, simply because he
used a mechanic's saying (e.g: "keep 'em flying") doesn't mean squat.
He may have utilized the saying just to help furthur disguise himself
precisely for the reasons you so astutely pointed out (e.g: make it
seem like "Autocollimator" is some "low life yellow, uneducated
enlisted aircraft mechanic" ain't him).

Mike - You're really getting more than a bit thin here.
Next thing you know, you'll be rattling a pair of Ball Bearings in
your hand, reliving the Cheese Incident, and proving, by Geometric
Logic, that the Messboys didn't eat the strawberries.

Are we ging to have to refer to you a "Old Yellowstain?"

Odd thread tie-in here - The Caine Mutiny Court Martial scenes had,
as one of the principal characters, a Pilot acting as a JAG Officer.
A story so twisted, it could only have been written by Art Kramer...
of Herman Wouk.
(Hmm. Maybe Art is actually Herman Wouk? We know he's not Joe Heller
- They've been seen in the same place at the same time.)

--
Pete Stickney

Yes we have.(grin)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

If Art uses a sock puppet, its his choice. If he does, I see it as an online
kink (small 'K') that would make me shake my head, and not anything close to
the behavior Mike has been displaying since he started posting here. I am not
on Art's Christmas list, but the two of us respect each other enough to not
spend outrageous amounts of time wasting bandwidth doing nothing but ****ing
each other (and regular posters) off. Art and other military posters in this
newsgroup are here generally to share memories or clean up small details that
we have direct knowledge about: ego gets into it sometimes but thats not why
we're here. I come here to learn and discuss military aviation topics and
instead, I get to read your non-military personal attacks and daily attempts to
belittle just about everyone. You wrote to Peter, saying you'd show respect to
him if he did the same. What do you want us all to do, in exchange for you
stopping your insults?

Gordon

(Gordon) wrote:

************************************************** ***************************************

If Art uses a sock puppet, its his choice. If he does, I see it as an online
kink (small 'K')

************************************************** ***************************************


Another VERY telling statement....

Gordon wrote:

If Art uses a sock puppet, its his choice. If he does, I see it as an online
kink (small 'K') that would make me shake my head, and not anything close to
the behavior Mike has been displaying since he started posting here. I am not
on Art's Christmas list, but the two of us respect each other enough to not
spend outrageous amounts of time wasting bandwidth doing nothing but ****ing
each other (and regular posters) off. Art and other military posters in this
newsgroup are here generally to share memories or clean up small details that
we have direct knowledge about: ego gets into it sometimes but thats not why
we're here. I come here to learn and discuss military aviation topics and
instead, I get to read your non-military personal attacks and daily attempts to
belittle just about everyone. You wrote to Peter, saying you'd show respect to
him if he did the same. What do you want us all to do, in exchange for you
stopping your insults?

Gordon

kill file the twit?

redc1c4,
just a thought..... %-)
--
A Troop - 1st Squadron
404th Lemming Armored Cavalry

"Velox et Capillatus!"

redc1c4 wrote:

kill file the twit?

It would be my pleasure to meet a twit like YOU face to face.

redc1c4,
just a thought..... %-)

Anytime, anywhere, pal. [insert dumbasss emiticon here]

Mike Morron wrote:

redc1c4 wrote:

kill file the twit?

It would be my pleasure to meet a twit like YOU face to face.

yeah, right..... whatever. it's easy to be brave, tough, etc*, over
a text file. real life is different: you should try it.

you should also try taking your meds on a routine basis, as prescribed,
and another layer of tin foil on your hat wouldn't be amiss either.

after all, there is a full moon coming, and that'll make it easier for
the black helicopters to locate you for the Greys. it's time for your
routine checkup and anal probing, i'm guessing.

redc1c4,
just a thought..... %-)

Anytime, anywhere, pal. [insert dumbasss emiticon here]

the local courthouse ought to do. bring your lawyer to fight the
restraining order and the commitment papers. Atascadero is nice this
time of year.

redc1c4,
(*i was going to add "witty", but thought better of it. %-)
--
A Troop - 1st Squadron
404th Lemming Armored Cavalry

"Velox et Capillatus!"

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 03:08:24 GMT, redc1c4
wrote:

kill file the twit?

BTDT, couldn't find a T shirt.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

(Peter Stickney) wrote:

Mike - You're really getting more than a bit thin here.

Er um, let's play "Where in the World is Carmen San Diego"
eg: (substitute "Autocollimator" for "Carmen San Diego"
if you wish).