"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"

Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 6, 3:50 pm, Kerryn Offord wrote:
Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote:
SNIP
If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to
protected base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to
war" and "getting the job done".
But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not
the rationale for this extremely expensive truck
Vince
Well what would you call a Ch-46 or Ch-47? Neither are expected to be
"AIRWOLF" or "Blue Thunder." Yes, it's truck. A pricey truck. But a
better truck in the long run.
It's not a better "truck" for the job of delivering toilet paper (VIPs
might enjoy the faster ride etc) which is all it seems to be doing
currently.

It's payload per trip is less than that of other similar sized/ powered
helicopters.. And really, to deliver stores, speed isn't overly important.

And for range.. If the only way to get supplies to a base is via the
V-22.. They're in trouble...

As for CH-47s and CH-46s.. Sure they aren't expected to be "AIRWOLF" or
"BLUE THUNDER".. But there have been real reported cases of them being
involved in hot landings and evacuations... We await what happens "when"
the V-22 is used in similar circumstances...

You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.
Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that it
has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your last
statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are rooting
for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean

Dean A. Markley wrote:

Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that it
has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your last
statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are rooting
for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean


it's at most "flying without crashing" two hours a day on safe missions
delivering toilet paper and VIPs from one base to another

and its 3 times the cost of the competition

Vince

Vince wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:

Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that
it has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your
last statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are
rooting for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean



it's at most "flying without crashing" two hours a day on safe missions
delivering toilet paper and VIPs from one base to another

and its 3 times the cost of the competition

Vince

You know when Sikorsky invented the helicopter, people said the same
about it vs fixed wing aircraft. A C130 can do the same job, carry more
stuff & farther than your 30 yr old rotor craft. Only problem is a
runway. Competition? What competition? The Ch 46 And 47 will never go
any faster, fly any higher or further or be any more safe in a LZ.

Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:

Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that
it has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your
last statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are
rooting for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean



it's at most "flying without crashing" two hours a day on safe
missions delivering toilet paper and VIPs from one base to another

and its 3 times the cost of the competition

Vince

You know when Sikorsky invented the helicopter, people said the same
about it vs fixed wing aircraft. A C130 can do the same job, carry more
stuff & farther than your 30 yr old rotor craft. Only problem is a
runway. Competition? What competition? The Ch 46 And 47 will never go
any faster, fly any higher or further or be any more safe in a LZ.


And a camel won't do very well either
why do you pick the 46 47 comparison?. The V-22 is an incredibly more
expensive aircraft using twice the weight and power to deliver the same
or less cargo
The V-22 can't auto rotate and has almost twice the down wash. So
forget the More safe in a LZ crap

Vince

On Feb 6, 7:52 pm, "Dean A. Markley" wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 6, 3:50 pm, Kerryn Offord wrote:
Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote:
SNIP
If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to
protected base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to
war" and "getting the job done".
But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not
the rationale for this extremely expensive truck
Vince
Well what would you call a Ch-46 or Ch-47? Neither are expected to be
"AIRWOLF" or "Blue Thunder." Yes, it's truck. A pricey truck. But a
better truck in the long run.
It's not a better "truck" for the job of delivering toilet paper (VIPs
might enjoy the faster ride etc) which is all it seems to be doing
currently.

It's payload per trip is less than that of other similar sized/ powered
helicopters.. And really, to deliver stores, speed isn't overly important.

And for range.. If the only way to get supplies to a base is via the
V-22.. They're in trouble...

As for CH-47s and CH-46s.. Sure they aren't expected to be "AIRWOLF" or
"BLUE THUNDER".. But there have been real reported cases of them being
involved in hot landings and evacuations... We await what happens "when"
the V-22 is used in similar circumstances...

You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.

Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that it
has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your last
statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are rooting
for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean

I presume then that if Richard Clarke had gotten Condi Rice and John
Ashcroft to pay attention to the threat that became 911 you would have
decided he was just "rooting for terrorists to kill American(s)". It's
called "early warning" as in "wake up, stupid, we are flying large
targets into an area filled with people who don't like us:".