Why airplanes fly

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:51 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Cecil E. Chapman wrote:
They fly because of money.... :/ Money generates both lift and thrust.....

THIS is the real reason.
And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly
proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-)
--
Dudley Henriques
I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the
military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least
they're not PAYING.
I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for
the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the
maintenance. Even for a couple of flights!
Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others.
I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to
fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly
misinformed.

I agree. If you want to do something, you do it. If you want to look
like you do something, you make excuses.



Period. Full stop. End fo story. Finnito Spagghetio.



Bertie

The worst part is that I can't stand Yeager ....never could. Not that
he's a bad stick because he could and can fly with the best of them.

I never liked the fact that he sailed through life taking the accolades
that belonged to George Welsh. There was no excuse for that. Yeager
could have set things right anytime he chose to do so.
To my knowledge, he hasn't done it yet!
D

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:51 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Cecil E. Chapman wrote:
They fly because of money.... :/ Money generates both lift and
thrust.....

THIS is the real reason.
And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly
proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-)
--
Dudley Henriques
I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the
military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least
they're not PAYING.
I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for
the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the
maintenance. Even for a couple of flights!
Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others.
I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to
fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly
misinformed.

I agree. If you want to do something, you do it. If you want to look
like you do something, you make excuses.



Period. Full stop. End fo story. Finnito Spagghetio.



Bertie

The worst part is that I can't stand Yeager ....never could. Not that
he's a bad stick because he could and can fly with the best of them.

I never liked the fact that he sailed through life taking the accolades
that belonged to George Welsh. There was no excuse for that. Yeager
could have set things right anytime he chose to do so.
To my knowledge, he hasn't done it yet!

Could you tell us a little about it? I googled
George Welsh and about all I could find is that
he was a North American test pilot and was killed
testing an F-100 at supersonic speeds.

Jim Stewart wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:51 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Cecil E. Chapman wrote:
They fly because of money.... :/ Money generates both lift and
thrust.....

THIS is the real reason.
And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly
proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-)
--
Dudley Henriques
I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the
military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least
they're not PAYING.
I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for
the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the
maintenance. Even for a couple of flights!
Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others.
I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to
fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly
misinformed.

I agree. If you want to do something, you do it. If you want to look
like you do something, you make excuses.



Period. Full stop. End fo story. Finnito Spagghetio.



Bertie

The worst part is that I can't stand Yeager ....never could. Not that
he's a bad stick because he could and can fly with the best of them.

I never liked the fact that he sailed through life taking the
accolades that belonged to George Welsh. There was no excuse for that.
Yeager could have set things right anytime he chose to do so.
To my knowledge, he hasn't done it yet!

Could you tell us a little about it? I googled
George Welsh and about all I could find is that
he was a North American test pilot and was killed
testing an F-100 at supersonic speeds.




The long and the short of it is that Yeager was/is a superb pilot who
did indeed break mach 1 in the Bell X1 as well as a number of additional
notable achievements. The only rub in it is the fact that he was about a
week late on the mach 1 flight and George Welsh broke mach 1 before him
in the prototype F86. There's no doubt whatsover that Welsh went
supersonic in the Sabre, as there were a ton of eye witnesses who heard
the boom at Pancho's the day he did it. In fact, Welsh had told Barnes
to listen for the sound and she had clued the whole place in on what was
happening.
Yeager had his X1 flight and broke the barrier IN LEVEL FLIGHT, and this
should have been the way the news was released, but due to publicity
and contract issues ongoing at the time, Yeager's flight was treated as
the initial successful mach 1 attempt. Welsh had broken the mach in a
dive and his attempt was completely unauthorized by North American.
What's so bad about Yeager is that he knew Welsh. They were competitors
in the flight test business. Yeager has had years to set the record
straight and give Welsh the credit that was denied him, but he hasn't
done that. This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will
eventually, as history sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well.
Both ways, it diminishes the accomplishments of two great aviation pioneers.
There's a bit more to the story, but this is the skinny from my
perspective anyway.



--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley wrote:
This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history
sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well.

IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after
Scott Crossfield's accident. So many options, so many good opportunities to
say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. Pity.

Hilton

Hilton wrote:
Dudley wrote:
This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history
sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well.

IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after
Scott Crossfield's accident. So many options, so many good opportunities to
say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. Pity.

Hilton


I couldn't agree more, and this was just one more nail in the coffin
that defines why I can't take Yeager.

--
Dudley Henriques

On Feb 8, 12:32 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Hilton wrote:
Dudley wrote:
This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history
sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well.

IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after
Scott Crossfield's accident. So many options, so many good opportunities to
say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. Pity.

Hilton

I couldn't agree more, and this was just one more nail in the coffin
that defines why I can't take Yeager.

Yeager came out here to an Air Show at Wanaka where he was asked by a
young TVNZ reporter as to how he could take up flying .
The reply was so arrogant and insulting Yeager suddenly was not at the
Air Show.

george wrote:
On Feb 8, 12:32 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Hilton wrote:
Dudley wrote:
This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history
sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well.
IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after
Scott Crossfield's accident. So many options, so many good opportunities to
say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. Pity.
Hilton
I couldn't agree more, and this was just one more nail in the coffin
that defines why I can't take Yeager.

Yeager came out here to an Air Show at Wanaka where he was asked by a
young TVNZ reporter as to how he could take up flying .
The reply was so arrogant and insulting Yeager suddenly was not at the
Air Show.










I deal directly in the demonstration flying flight safety business every
day and interact with some of the finest pilots on the planet. Some of
these young people could fly rings around Yeager even in his prime. They
are world champions.
Almost every one of these people to a man/woman, are totally dedicated
not only to saving lives, but to furthering the general cause of
aviation. These professionals interact on their own time and dime.
The contrast between these people and someone like Yeager is astounding.
You couldn't ask to work with finer pilots anywhere....anytime.
Yeager could have been a loud voice for aviation. Apparently his voice
is loud enough....but it's all about him, not about aviation.

--
Dudley Henriques

IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after
Scott Crossfield's accident. *So many options, so many good opportunities to
say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. *Pity.

Hilton

What did he say?

Hilton wrote:
Dudley wrote:

This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history
sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well.


IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after
Scott Crossfield's accident. So many options, so many good opportunities to
say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. Pity.

Hilton


I like how Avweb reported that, they quoted Yaeger and then said
something to the effect of "funny, we don't remember Scott saying
anything after Yaeger ran off that runway last year." I'm also very
happy that the NTSB gave ATC 50% of the responsibility for Scott's accident.

Margy

I'm also very happy that the NTSB gave ATC 50% of the responsibility for
Scott's accident.

Just to clarify, the NTSB did not apportion the responsibility, but just
listed probable cause as:

"The pilot's failure to obtain updated en route weather information, which
resulted in his continued instrument flight into a widespread area of severe
convective activity, and the air traffic controller's failure to provide
adverse weather avoidance assistance, as required by Federal Aviation
Administration directives, both of which led to the airplane's encounter with
a severe thunderstorm and subsequent loss of control."

I don't know if there's a civil trial associated with the accident, but if
there is, that's where the judge or jury might set percentages.