Why airplanes fly

Simply put, this is a place for people to talk about flying, and aspects of
aviation. *The current crop of loons are not interested in serious
discussion of such. *Neither are the people that egg them on. *There should
be no place for that, here.

Like it or not there are loons and trolls on the Internet.

The Internet has no law enforcement, not much content enforcement --
and I LIKE it that way. If there's a brawl, so be it. It's not like
you can't ignore that. There are plenty of tools to help you filter
out anything you don't want to see.

If you know so much about aviation and flying already that you can't
learn anything here, there're a few very simple solutions.

I come here because there ARE people who I think have a high level of
experience with piloting and I like asking them questions. I listen to
what they say and I learn from it. I don't have many opinions, usually
just questions.

But I'm sticking to this opinion: I get an occasional laugh out of
Mx's postulating and theorizing.

wrote

Like it or not there are loons and trolls on the Internet.

Well, I don't like it, and it's my right to say so, and do what I can to get
rid of them too. Unfortunately, there are a bunch of dickwads that enjoy
egging him on. If it were not for them, the trolls would have been long
gone.

The Internet has no law enforcement, not much content enforcement --
and I LIKE it that way. If there's a brawl, so be it. It's not like
you can't ignore that. There are plenty of tools to help you filter
out anything you don't want to see.

Yep, I can ignore it, like I will soon be ignoring you, I guess. You are
missing the point, though.

There used to be about three times the number of really cool, well qualified
people, that could speak volumes on the subjects of aviation. They didn't
think it was worth sticking around, and are now gone. Now do you really
want to tell me how all I have to do is ignore the kooks? It will really be
just as good as it was, before one nut came in, and brough a bunch of other
nuts that like picking on nuts like him, and around and around we go with
far less people that can really talk aviation? That's what you want to tell
me? I don't think so.

I come here because there ARE people who I think have a high level of
experience with piloting and I like asking them questions. I listen to
what they say and I learn from it. I don't have many opinions, usually
just questions.

You would have really loved it, a couple years ago, then. There is but a
small sampling of people with the varied experiences that are still here,
compared to before. It is really sad that a few nut cases can cause so much
chaos.

But I'm sticking to this opinion: I get an occasional laugh out of
Mx's postulating and theorizing.

Yep, laugh, laugh, laugh. I suppose you think Jackass TV is pretty damn
funny, too.

Sad, man. Really sad.

Grow up.
--
Jim in NC

But I'm sticking to this opinion: I get an occasional laugh out of
Mx's postulating and theorizing.

Just to keep things straight, I did not write the above.. There should have
been 's in front of that comment; written by the previous poster.

Hold on, for a second. Previously on this very thread you posted this
comment:

I don't come here for conflict.

But then you write these things:

Yep, I can ignore it, like I will soon be ignoring you *
...
Yep, laugh, laugh, laugh. I suppose you think Jackass TV is pretty damn
funny, too.

Sad, man. Really sad.

Grow up.

You can't write those things and at the same time honestly claim you
don't come here for conflict. Every one of us is sometimes guilty of
being provocative and rude, or write something that someone else
misinterprets, or we misinterpret what someone else writes. There's
really no way to misinterpret what you have written above. It's not
about aviation. What I quote above shows that you are just as capable
of dishing out confrontation as you are capable of complaining about
it.

There used to be about three times the number of really cool, well qualified
people, that could speak volumes on the subjects of aviation. *They didn't
think it was worth sticking around, and are now gone.

You would have really loved it, a couple years ago, then. There is but a
small sampling of people with the varied experiences that are still here,
compared to before.

I can't guess as to why those people don't post here anymore. But,
yeah, I would have thought it was cool and I would have liked to read
their posts.

*It is really sad that a few nut cases can cause so much
chaos.

I have never seen Usenet not have a lot of off topic posts by nut
cases, or trolls being pests. I'm surely way more interested in the
good stuff than the ridiculous and the distracting.

However I also think it's okay if some people get a laugh out of the
occasional loon. I'm not calling you a jackass just because you don't
like chaotic posts. However it sure seems you are calling me a jackass
by your non-confrontational comments about Jackass TV.

Let's get back to planes and piloting now.

"Morgans" wrote in
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wrote

Like it or not there are loons and trolls on the Internet.

Well, I don't like it, and it's my right to say so, and do what I can
to get rid of them too. Unfortunately, there are a bunch of dickwads
that enjoy egging him on. If it were not for them, the trolls would
have been long gone.

The Internet has no law enforcement, not much content enforcement --
and I LIKE it that way. If there's a brawl, so be it. It's not like
you can't ignore that. There are plenty of tools to help you filter
out anything you don't want to see.

Yep, I can ignore it, like I will soon be ignoring you, I guess. You
are missing the point, though.

There used to be about three times the number of really cool, well
qualified people, that could speak volumes on the subjects of
aviation. They didn't think it was worth sticking around, and are now
gone. Now do you really want to tell me how all I have to do is
ignore the kooks? It will really be just as good as it was, before
one nut came in, and brough a bunch of other nuts that like picking on
nuts like him, and around and around we go with far less people that
can really talk aviation? That's what you want to tell me? I don't
think so.

I come here because there ARE people who I think have a high level of
experience with piloting and I like asking them questions. I listen
to what they say and I learn from it. I don't have many opinions,
usually just questions.

You would have really loved it, a couple years ago, then. There is
but a small sampling of people with the varied experiences that are
still here, compared to before. It is really sad that a few nut cases
can cause so much chaos.

But I'm sticking to this opinion: I get an occasional laugh out of
Mx's postulating and theorizing.

Yep, laugh, laugh, laugh. I suppose you think Jackass TV is pretty
damn funny, too.

You obviously haven't seen this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hZK-aZ0rjY


Bertie

But I'm sticking to this opinion: I get an occasional laugh out of
Mx's postulating and theorizing.

At the risk of bringing on Jim's wrath, I agree with you.

IMHO, MX is harmless, and occasionally starts interesting threads that are
actually aviation related. He may ask stupid questions, from time to time,
and he may even be a troll -- but I'll say this for him: He is always a
gentleman, and never stoops to the level of insulting fellow posters.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 2008-02-08, Jay Honeck wrote:
IMHO, MX is harmless, and occasionally starts interesting threads that are
actually aviation related. He may ask stupid questions, from time to time,
and he may even be a troll -- but I'll say this for him: He is always a
gentleman, and never stoops to the level of insulting fellow posters.

I've dropped Bertie into my killfile, reluctantly; he does have good
insights to offer, but finding the gems requires lots of wading through
crap. I'll probably drop MX in there the next time I see one of his posts.
Between that, and hitting N when I see a post that starts entirely with
quoted material, I'm missing most of the idiocy.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:JKQqj.20672$9j6.19927@attbi_s22...
But I'm sticking to this opinion: I get an occasional laugh out of
Mx's postulating and theorizing.

At the risk of bringing on Jim's wrath, I agree with you.

IMHO, MX is harmless, and occasionally starts interesting threads that are
actually aviation related. He may ask stupid questions, from time to
time, and he may even be a troll -- but I'll say this for him: He is
always a gentleman, and never stoops to the level of insulting fellow
posters.
So he's a polite idiot. Big deal

You need to start looking at the big picture, Jay.

MX's presence here, is like someone taking a dump in your lobby, daily, and
saying "have a nice day, kind friends," as he does it.

You really still have nice things to say about him, even as the smell
lingers?

If you do, you need to re-examine your priorities, and start taking a harder
view.

Either that, or you are such a nice guy, that you enjoy cleaning up **** out
of your lobby. Or you would rather just leave it there, because you are
afraid of offending him.

It has to be one or the other. Which?
--
Jim in NC

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:56:38 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote in :

If you do, you need to re-examine your priorities, and start taking a harder
view.

Perhaps you need to consider extending a little Christian forgiveness.

You really still have nice things to say about him, even as the smell
lingers?

I prefer to look at MX differently.

Almost every Movie Night, we have a mildly retarded young man and his
"keeper" show up. (For those who don't know, we show an aviation movie
every Tuesday night, at our aviation themed hotel.) The event is open to
the public, and free -- and the kid loves airplanes, so he comes.

All of the real pilots have made him feel welcome, even though he
occasionally blurts out something stupid or inappropriate. They recognize
that he's harmless, happens to love aviation, and -- although he's mildly
annoying -- we all slap him on the back when he arrives.

That's MX.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"