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Old November 4th 03, 07:34 AM
Marcus Andersson
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Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall wrote:

"Yama" wrote:

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: I see. Only twice the rate in the USA.
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:On a plus side, odds of getting gunned down are considerably smaller...

Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher
than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that
one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and
avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and
ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your odds
are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the bathtub than
they are of being 'gunned down'.


Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!!



If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd
notice that it isn't that easy.
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Old November 4th 03, 06:11 PM
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote:

(Marcus Andersson) wrote in
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Alan Minyard wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall
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Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher
than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that
one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and
avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and
ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your
odds are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the
bathtub than they are of being 'gunned down'.

Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!!



If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd
notice that it isn't that easy.


In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not
100% certain.

For some, though, the issue is blurred.

I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting.
Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush
would be rather difficult. For europe, everything is "blurred"

Al Minyard
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Old November 4th 03, 08:49 PM
Paul J. Adam
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In message , Alan Minyard
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote:
In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not
100% certain.

For some, though, the issue is blurred.

I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting.
Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush
would be rather difficult.


Dreadfully easy, Al. I match your pistol and raise you a section of
troops with scoped rifles and support weapons, and the firefight starts
at two hundred yards. I'll even let you fire first. (If it's wartime
then "fighting fair" is for the survivors on the losing side to console
themselves with)


The way to kill an alert armed man is to deceive rather than to
outshoot. Don't leap out, wild-eyed and frantic, shouting "Die, American
pig-dog-scum!"; but (for example) man a tidy, disciplined vehicle check
point and politely ask to see identification and travel documents (the
"Excuse Me, Meester?" ploy).

There's a _reason_ pistols are considered to be self-defence weapons of
last resort by most militaries, however entertaining they are to shoot
for sport and even to train with.

If you expected to fight, you should have brought a rifle: US helicopter
pilots in Desert Storm and Somalia fully grasped that concept (the USMC
have complained about a AH-1 modification, because they stored two M-16s
on the inner door of the ammunition bay in case they were forced down
and the modification precluded that... the Marines understood full well
that if you're being pursued by angry men with rifles, a rifle of your
own will at least slow the pursuit down in a way a pistol never can)

For europe, everything is "blurred"


Less so than you might think.

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When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

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Old November 5th 03, 03:45 PM
Alan Minyard
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:49:56 +0000, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:

In message , Alan Minyard
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote:
In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not
100% certain.

For some, though, the issue is blurred.

I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting.
Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush
would be rather difficult.


Dreadfully easy, Al. I match your pistol and raise you a section of
troops with scoped rifles and support weapons, and the firefight starts
at two hundred yards. I'll even let you fire first. (If it's wartime
then "fighting fair" is for the survivors on the losing side to console
themselves with)


No one said anything about war or troops. If you want to go to a
war scenario I really do not think that you would want to mess
with the US


The way to kill an alert armed man is to deceive rather than to
outshoot. Don't leap out, wild-eyed and frantic, shouting "Die, American
pig-dog-scum!"; but (for example) man a tidy, disciplined vehicle check
point and politely ask to see identification and travel documents (the
"Excuse Me, Meester?" ploy).

Not how street thugs operate.

There's a _reason_ pistols are considered to be self-defence weapons of
last resort by most militaries, however entertaining they are to shoot
for sport and even to train with.


Of course, especially the nearly useless 9mm rounds. I carry a .45
Colt. I also have several rifles that will greatly out shoot the 5,6mm.

If you expected to fight, you should have brought a rifle: US helicopter
pilots in Desert Storm and Somalia fully grasped that concept (the USMC
have complained about a AH-1 modification, because they stored two M-16s
on the inner door of the ammunition bay in case they were forced down
and the modification precluded that... the Marines understood full well
that if you're being pursued by angry men with rifles, a rifle of your
own will at least slow the pursuit down in a way a pistol never can)


Once again, we were (at least I thought we were) discussing crime, not
war.

For europe, everything is "blurred"


Less so than you might think.


Al Minyard
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Old November 5th 03, 06:35 AM
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Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote:

(Marcus Andersson) wrote in
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Alan Minyard wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote:


Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher
than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that
one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and
avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and
ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your
odds are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the
bathtub than they are of being 'gunned down'.

Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!!


If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd
notice that it isn't that easy.


In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not
100% certain.

For some, though, the issue is blurred.

I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting.
Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush
would be rather difficult.
Al Minyard


What if the bloke who intends to shoot you is as qualified as you? Or
even more qualified?
You should know that the worst mistake one can do is to underestimate
ones enemy...
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Old November 2nd 03, 11:42 PM
Paul J. Adam
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In message , Fred J. McCall
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"Yama" wrote:
:On a plus side, odds of getting gunned down are considerably smaller...

Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher
than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that
one isn't a gang banger.


But then starting assumptions are one of the reasons for the claim
"lies, damn lies, and statistics".

We're regularly told how we're at risk of violent death, hateful
enslavement, or both because we have fewer firearms than the US. The
point that my neighbourhood's had one armed robbery in five years (and
that with a toy gun... the cashier laughed and the would-be robber fled)
is by the bye. Apparently we're doomed to imminent death by a lack of
handguns.

Reality is less straightforward. We're not all going to die for a lack
of weapons and the US is not going to self-destruct for a surplus of
domestic firearms.



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When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk
 




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