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Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall wrote: "Yama" wrote: : :"WaltBJ" wrote in message .com... : "Nils Rostedt" wrote in message ... : "WaltBJ" wrote in message : Not correct. : http://www.who.int/mental_health/pre...iciderates/en/ : : I see. Only twice the rate in the USA. : :On a plus side, odds of getting gunned down are considerably smaller... Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your odds are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the bathtub than they are of being 'gunned down'. Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!! If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd notice that it isn't that easy. |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote:
(Marcus Andersson) wrote in . com: Alan Minyard wrote in message . .. On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall wrote: Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your odds are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the bathtub than they are of being 'gunned down'. Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!! If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd notice that it isn't that easy. In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not 100% certain. For some, though, the issue is blurred. I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting. Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush would be rather difficult. For europe, everything is "blurred" Al Minyard |
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In message , Alan Minyard
writes On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote: In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not 100% certain. For some, though, the issue is blurred. I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting. Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush would be rather difficult. Dreadfully easy, Al. I match your pistol and raise you a section of troops with scoped rifles and support weapons, and the firefight starts at two hundred yards. I'll even let you fire first. (If it's wartime then "fighting fair" is for the survivors on the losing side to console themselves with) The way to kill an alert armed man is to deceive rather than to outshoot. Don't leap out, wild-eyed and frantic, shouting "Die, American pig-dog-scum!"; but (for example) man a tidy, disciplined vehicle check point and politely ask to see identification and travel documents (the "Excuse Me, Meester?" ploy). There's a _reason_ pistols are considered to be self-defence weapons of last resort by most militaries, however entertaining they are to shoot for sport and even to train with. If you expected to fight, you should have brought a rifle: US helicopter pilots in Desert Storm and Somalia fully grasped that concept (the USMC have complained about a AH-1 modification, because they stored two M-16s on the inner door of the ammunition bay in case they were forced down and the modification precluded that... the Marines understood full well that if you're being pursued by angry men with rifles, a rifle of your own will at least slow the pursuit down in a way a pistol never can) For europe, everything is "blurred" Less so than you might think. -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk |
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:49:56 +0000, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:
In message , Alan Minyard writes On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote: In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not 100% certain. For some, though, the issue is blurred. I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting. Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush would be rather difficult. Dreadfully easy, Al. I match your pistol and raise you a section of troops with scoped rifles and support weapons, and the firefight starts at two hundred yards. I'll even let you fire first. (If it's wartime then "fighting fair" is for the survivors on the losing side to console themselves with) No one said anything about war or troops. If you want to go to a war scenario I really do not think that you would want to mess with the US The way to kill an alert armed man is to deceive rather than to outshoot. Don't leap out, wild-eyed and frantic, shouting "Die, American pig-dog-scum!"; but (for example) man a tidy, disciplined vehicle check point and politely ask to see identification and travel documents (the "Excuse Me, Meester?" ploy). Not how street thugs operate. There's a _reason_ pistols are considered to be self-defence weapons of last resort by most militaries, however entertaining they are to shoot for sport and even to train with. Of course, especially the nearly useless 9mm rounds. I carry a .45 Colt. I also have several rifles that will greatly out shoot the 5,6mm. If you expected to fight, you should have brought a rifle: US helicopter pilots in Desert Storm and Somalia fully grasped that concept (the USMC have complained about a AH-1 modification, because they stored two M-16s on the inner door of the ammunition bay in case they were forced down and the modification precluded that... the Marines understood full well that if you're being pursued by angry men with rifles, a rifle of your own will at least slow the pursuit down in a way a pistol never can) Once again, we were (at least I thought we were) discussing crime, not war. For europe, everything is "blurred" Less so than you might think. Al Minyard |
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Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:04:26 GMT, "Bjørnar" wrote: (Marcus Andersson) wrote in . com: Alan Minyard wrote in message . .. On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:19:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall wrote: Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your odds are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the bathtub than they are of being 'gunned down'. Not to mention the fact that I can, and would, shoot back!!!!!!! If you ever tried shooting back after you've been shot dead, you'd notice that it isn't that easy. In war-time you would shoot first and ask later if your're not 100% certain. For some, though, the issue is blurred. I am a very qualified pistol shot, trained in combat shooting. Shooting me "dead" from anything other than an ambush would be rather difficult. Al Minyard What if the bloke who intends to shoot you is as qualified as you? Or even more qualified? You should know that the worst mistake one can do is to underestimate ones enemy... |
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In message , Fred J. McCall
writes "Yama" wrote: :On a plus side, odds of getting gunned down are considerably smaller... Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that one isn't a gang banger. But then starting assumptions are one of the reasons for the claim "lies, damn lies, and statistics". We're regularly told how we're at risk of violent death, hateful enslavement, or both because we have fewer firearms than the US. The point that my neighbourhood's had one armed robbery in five years (and that with a toy gun... the cashier laughed and the would-be robber fled) is by the bye. Apparently we're doomed to imminent death by a lack of handguns. Reality is less straightforward. We're not all going to die for a lack of weapons and the US is not going to self-destruct for a surplus of domestic firearms. -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk |
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